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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Philippe Blouin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philippe.blouin@inlibro.com" target="_blank">philippe.blouin@inlibro.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Can I not be against, yet still have concerns?  :)<br>
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    I'm glad you so gallantly dumped Angular, which I would have raised
    my hand Against since that thing obsolete past code every 6 months. 
    But I do not know React.  Could you sell me more the big plusses to
    do that.  What will it replace, do you have an example?  What about
    all the code waiting approval right now, will it become obsolete
    because non-Reactive ?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The big plus of React is that it really does allow quick development of very nice widgets that can be used and re-used. React is also a view layer only and does not throw everything and the kitchen sink in like Angular does. React does not obsolete any existing code, but it can be used to augment existing features and for new features wherever we want to use it! </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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    All the big previous changes (bootstrap, dbix...) were not without
    pain, espeicially for those outside the core, not coding these
    technologies 24/7.<br>
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    And how do you see React evolving in the next 5 years?  Keeping up
    with bootstrap requires huge effort (if/when we upgrade).<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>React has a nice simple, stable api at this point. I cannot say what it will be in 5 years, but I can say that what is now will not limit us in the future. It does what we need it to do right now.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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    Again, I know little.  Please don't ask me if I'm against, but give
    me your big sales pitch. :)<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of course! I have learned how to use React and Angular both just as for potential use in Koha. A direct comparison of them *for Koha* tells me that React is far better suited for our uses.</div><div><br></div><div>Kyle</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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    Cheers,<br>
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        <div> <span>Philippe Blouin,</span><br>
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    <div>On 09/19/2016 08:18 AM, Kyle Hall
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      <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the feedback Stefano!
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        <div>Please, if anybody is *against* the use of React in Koha,
          please voice your concerns!</div>
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          Stefano Bargioni <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bargioni@pusc.it" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:bargioni@pusc.it" target="_blank">bargioni@pusc.it</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                React. Angular requires a specific skill, other than
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                      <div>On 15 set 2016, at 19:22, Kyle Hall <<a href="mailto:kyle.m.hall@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:kyle.m.hall@gmail.com" target="_blank">kyle.m.hall@gmail.com</a>>
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                          <div dir="ltr">I have my proof of concept for
                            using <span>React</span> within Koha
                            completed! You can see it here: <a href="https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17297" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://bugs.koha-commun" target="_blank">https://bugs.koha-commun</a><wbr><a href="http://ity.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi">ity.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi</a><wbr>?id=17297
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                            <div>Please give it a try!</div>
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                            <div>So, I've written this development ( at
                              least in part ) in both Angular and <span>React</span>.
                              I know Angular 2 is out but here are my
                              thoughts so far.</div>
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                            <div>1) It's much easier to think in <span>React</span> than
                              in Angular. <span>React</span> is for the
                              most part just Javascript. It's far less
                              opinionated than Angular. They saying
                              goes <span>React</span> is Javascript and
                              Angular is Angular. I think the
                              flexibility of <span>React</span> works
                              well within the Koha ecosystem.</div>
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                            <div><span style="font-size:12.8px">2)
                                Writing </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">React</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> feels much
                                more like programming. I think it's much
                                faster to develop reactive and ajax
                                features in </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">React</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> than it is
                                using jQuery.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px" clear="all">
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                              <div style="font-size:12.8px">3) <span>React</span> makes
                                it pretty easy to create widgets that we
                                can drop in to a given page and have
                                just work. Pretty much anything that
                                shows up on multiple pages would make
                                for a good <span>React</span> widget.
                                Think the holds table which is on the
                                checkouts page and the patron details
                                page. It is ajaxified now, but a far far
                                cleaner version could be written in <span>React</span>.</div>
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                              <div style="font-size:12.8px">4) React is
                                just a view layer. Angular is a full MVC
                                framework with many pieces we don't
                                really need.</div>
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                              <div style="font-size:12.8px">I think <span>React</span> is
                                probably the way to go for Koha. I like
                                Angular but for Koha in particular, I
                                think <span>React</span> is a better
                                fit. I think we really need to get this
                                decision made as soon as possible. If
                                anyone has opinions, please let everyone
                                know!</div>
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