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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I agree with Marcel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Admittedly, I haven’t been doing much testing lately. In 2015 and 2016, I have had other projects which have diverted my attention, but generally I try to test anything, so long as it’s small enough to fit in the time I have to devote to testing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I suppose that’s harder for larger patches, since everyone has finite time. Plus FIFO isn’t always the best idea, because there are going to be some patches which should be prioritized over others, although perhaps that’s where severity comes into play a bit. Or maybe the QA team could have a sort of roster where some people just deal with critical bugs, some people deal with features, etc? I don’t know if that’s feasible either though. I wanted to join the QA team long ago, but I know I don’t have the time to devote to it…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As a developer, I know I’m apprehensive about submitting some of my latest work, because I think it’s too big for anyone to sign off or QA, so I’ve been thinking about feasible ways of setting it up as third-party software and just adding hooks to Koha, which have a better chance of making it in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So long as I’m supporting Koha, I’ll be writing patches for it, but I’m probably not going to even try to upstream something unless I think someone is going to look at it. I think that’s the key… I don’t need a guarantee that it’ll make it into Koha. If it’s not good enough, it’s not good enough, and it’ll need more work from me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But as a community it would be good to at least have eyes on more patches and some comments, even if it’s from someone who doesn’t have the authority to Pass QA. In fact, that’s something I’ve done a little bit in 2016. While I might not have the time to test a patch, I try to review the code, and offer up some comments that might help the developer. If that’s something others would find useful, maybe I could try to build in some code review into my day/week? Maybe that’s a bug wrangler task?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>David Cook<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Systems Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Prosentient Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>72/330 Wattle St<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ultimo, NSW 2007<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Office: 02 9212 0899<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Direct: 02 8005 0595<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marcel de Rooy<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 13 January 2017 1:49 AM<br><b>To:</b> koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Koha-devel] [NEW_TOPIC] Getting bugs further<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>> </span><span lang=EN-US>I guess there's no straight answer. It will depend on signoffers and QA people's opinion. People tend to focus on the stuff they care, lately, so that's why I said...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>> </span><span lang=EN-US>Sometimes people just drop some patches and wait for others to care about them. And it doesn't work like that most of the time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Shouldn’t we as a community do something about this evolving trend then? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>If we scare away developers by ignoring their patches, the community is not better off in the long run (imo).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>So, we should signoff or QA not only what we need or like. Isn’t that something for the bug wranglers too?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Marcel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>