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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Of course we won't fail patches, thanks for the strawman. We can easily fix them instead. In fact I volunteer to do that. <br>
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You're welcome to fix grammar too, send some patches. <br>
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And of course you can vote -1 you just did. I certainly noticed it. <br>
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Chris <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2017 7:16:22 AM NZST, Philippe Blouin <philippe.blouin@inlibro.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<p>My mistake, I hadn't read the original bugzilla. :-(<br />
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<p>Well, can I -1 this or only +1 are politically acceptable? Since
this is politic, really. Could you amend the ticket to also
rewrite all the comments to some acceptable level of English, to
start with? Syntax, grammar, conjugation... <br />
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<p>Call me obtuse, but 'they' can be quite offputting in the middle
of a sentence. I've read some short novels with that usage (used
as an androgynous pronoun). To someone whose first language is
not English, that can be quite disconcerting on first and second
read. <br />
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<p>The ticket also refers to someone having written "it" for a
person in some comment. Well, that's the type of things that
occurs in a software partly written by French (I'm not pointing),
Indians and Finns... You want to set a rule forcing them to use
proper English, you'll fail their patches because of it, in the
name of inclusivity??? That's productive...</p>
<p>Frankly, a much better "rule" should have been to write all
comments using the <u>female</u> form. Clear and concise. But I
don't believe that was the aim of the ticket...<br />
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/19/2017 02:18 PM, Jonathan Druart
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<div dir="ltr">The patches only affect code comments so no
translation needed.<br />
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<p>How many of "these" are there to change? Not that the
work itself will be massive, but putting a 'they' in the
middle of a sentence does not make it easy to translate
intuitively, I would think. If it's a consideration (it
is for non-English users, at least).</p>
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<div>The next step would be to provide a check to our
QA tests to make sure we will not introduce future
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I am pretty sure they will not be caught manually by
QAers.<br />
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 at 13:56 Eric
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">English
has a singular "they". It doesn't suggest
androgyny, either, from the definitions
I've seen. For instance, Oxford English
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<div class="gmail_default"><font face="georgia, serif">2. In anaphoric
reference to a singular noun or pronoun
of undetermined gender: he or she.</font><br />
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif">The
first usage example OED provides is from
1375. I don't think replacing "he" with
"she" addresses the problem, it's still
assuming a default gender. It's not too
much tricker to search code for he/him
& replace with they/them but that's
also just an implementation issue, not a
policy one.<br />
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It sounds like people are otherwise
supportive but I'm not sure what the next
step should be.</div>
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2017 at 8:42 AM, Paul A <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com" target="_blank">paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On
2017-04-18 08:25 PM, Eric Phetteplace
wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi list,<br />
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I opened bug<br />
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Before*:*<br />
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<span> "Kid growing and become a
juvenile, he should pay "<br />
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> After:<br />
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<span> "Kid growing and become a
juvenile, they should pay "<br />
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</span> Political correctness has never
been my strong point (although I try to
understand it), but I'm proficient in
grammatical rigour. [1]<br />
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"Kid" is a singular noun, "a" is a
singular article -- "they" is a plural
pronoun. Perhaps replace "they" with
"[s]he"? or "Kids growing and becoming
juveniles, they should pay"?<br />
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From a code maintenance p.o.v., it's
easier to find and replace 'he' with
'[s]he' if really this becomes a
priority for Koha.<br />
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Best -- Paul<br />
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[1] I am aware of the so-called
"singular third person epicene 'they'",
but academically object to it -- it
often suggests androgyny rather than
gender neutrality.
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