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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I can’t recall exactly how we use it but I think we count on the default behaviour as well. I remember discussing this with Katrin years ago. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But I also see the merit of requiring the biblio to be displayed because it contains links to the digital version of the resource. Many of our libraries create dummy items that contain links, but I prefer using the 856$u myself. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>David Cook<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Systems Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Prosentient Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>72/330 Wattle St<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ultimo, NSW 2007<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Office: 02 9212 0899<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Direct: 02 8005 0595<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tomas Cohen Arazi<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 28 July 2017 2:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Eric Phetteplace <ephetteplace@cca.edu><br><b>Cc:</b> koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Koha-devel] OpacHiddenItems behaviour | Bug 10584<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I completely agree we shouldn't introduce a behaviour change. I would rather propose being able to choose the behaviour, keeping the current as default. As we always do :-D<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was just asking because it didn't seem natural to me. And the use cases I'm seeing require the biblio to be displayed, because it contains links to the digital version of the resource.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>El jue., 27 jul. 2017 a las 13:26, Eric Phetteplace (<<a href="mailto:ephetteplace@cca.edu">ephetteplace@cca.edu</a>>) escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Georgia",serif'>I can basically reiterate what Katrin said; we rely on this behavior and I wouldn't want it to change. Of course, implementing an opt-in syspref is a fine alternative. Depending on what's appropriate to your situation, it seems like you could just create a visible placeholder item as a workaround to get the bib to display.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444;text-transform:uppercase'>ERIC PHETTEPLACE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height:14.4pt'><i><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'>Systems Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'><a href="http://libraries.cca.edu" target="_blank">libraries.cca.edu</a> | <a href="http://vault.cca.edu" target="_blank">vault.cca.edu</a> | </span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'><a href="tel:(510)%20594-3660" target="_blank">510.594.3660</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:12.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'><img border=0 height=50 id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://www.cca.edu/sites/default/files/images/2017/02/cca-sig-logo.png"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'>5212 Broadway, Oakland, CA 94618<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'>1111 8th St., San Francisco, CA </span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'>94107</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:24.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'>Preferred Pronoun(s): he/him<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#888B8D'>:(){ :|: & };:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Tomas Cohen Arazi <<a href="mailto:tomascohen@gmail.com" target="_blank">tomascohen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>El jue., 27 jul. 2017 a las 13:00, Katrin Fischer (<<a href="mailto:Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de" target="_blank">Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de</a>>) escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>Hi Tomas,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>we rely heavily on the described behaviour to hide the record if all items are hidden. It seems logical to me - what will a user do with a record, that has no items? They can't place a hold, they don't know where to find it, which library owns copies etc. To me it seems more confusing then helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'>I think we shouldn't change the behaviour, especially because it has always worked like described and libraries might be unpleasantly surprised by a sudden change. Having the different behaviour as a configuration option would make sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yeap, I filed this bug to deal with this:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18989" target="_blank">https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18989</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'>Tomás Cohen Arazi<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'>Theke Solutions (<a href="http://theke.io/" target="_blank">https://theke.io</a>)<br></span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;color:#757575'>✆</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'> <a href="tel:+54%209%20351%20351-3384" target="_blank">+54 9351 3513384</a><br>GPG: B2F3C15F<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></div></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Koha-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org" target="_blank">Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel</a><br>website : <a href="http://www.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://www.koha-community.org/</a><br>git : <a href="http://git.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://git.koha-community.org/</a><br>bugs : <a href="http://bugs.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://bugs.koha-community.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'>Tomás Cohen Arazi<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'>Theke Solutions (<a href="http://theke.io/">https://theke.io</a>)<br></span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;color:#757575'>✆</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'> +54 9351 3513384<br>GPG: B2F3C15F<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>