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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That’s a good point about these things happening on master, Tomas, and how the release notes would mention it. I’m probably overreacting : ). I am sensitive about this sort of thing, since I use pretty much everything but Debian-based distros for Koha. It’s tough not to feel like an unconsidered outsider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Typically, there isn’t much work to do to develop Koha for other platforms, since manual source installs work well. Unless you mean in terms of the management tools like koha-mysql and the like. I would like to see that happen, but I’m not hugely fussed on it. I actually would like to see multiple versions of Koha cohabit on the same server like PostgreSQL, and for those tools to work with that, but that’s a big thing I have no time for :/. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That said, on openSUSE, I actually do build RPM packages from Koha, and have multiple versions of Koha cohabit on the same server. The RPM spec file I have is about 70 lines. I mostly just override some environmental variables and have the RPM create the necessary base directories. It’s super easy to do. (I do still use CPAN for my Perl dependencies mostly, although there is a cpanspec tool in Fedora/RHEL/CentOS which is amazing at building RPMs from CPAN. The cpanspec tool in openSUSE is rubbish though unfortunately.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have thought about packaging Koha as RPMs for the community… but I wouldn’t want the DEB and RPM file systems to diverge too much and there are so many Debian specific files and Debian momentum that it seems like it would be a Sisyphean task. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>David Cook<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Systems Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Prosentient Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>72/330 Wattle St<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ultimo, NSW 2007<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Office: 02 9212 0899<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Direct: 02 8005 0595<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tomas Cohen Arazi [mailto:tomascohen@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 April 2018 12:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au><br><b>Cc:</b> koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Koha-devel] Koha now requires Perl 5.20<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I think you have a fair point on being very careful when doing this changes . This Perl version is Jessie's. Following the daily duties of Koha development ain't no easy task, that's for sure!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>This things happen in master, though. I would expect release notes to mention this of course. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think it would be great to see people developing Koha for other platforms (other than Debian-based ones). Unfortunately I haven't seen any work on making it happen (besides manual source installs, which hasn't got much attention lately either).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>People that care should speak up as you do, and probably file bugs and send patches.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>El lun., 16 de abr. de 2018 11:21 p. m., David Cook <<a href="mailto:dcook@prosentient.com.au">dcook@prosentient.com.au</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>My proposal would be to first revert <a href="https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20104" target="_blank">https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20104</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>As for minimum Perl versions, I think we’d want to be really careful about that, since we do have a global community of users running different underlying systems for different reasons.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If we’re concerned about the Perl version, I’d say add a “buyer beware” warning saying that Koha is developed to be used on Perl 5.20 on X, Y, Z Debian-based distribution. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>If there really is a feature that is only available in Perl 5.20+, then I think we’d need to consider whether or not it is vital to the future of Koha. If it is, I think we’d need to make some pretty big announcements saying that Koha cannot work correctly on older systems. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Basically, I prefer warnings over errors, and providing systems people with as much information as we can. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>David Cook</span><o:p></o:p></p><p 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style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Tomas Cohen Arazi [mailto:<a href="mailto:tomascohen@gmail.com" target="_blank">tomascohen@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 April 2018 12:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Cook <<a href="mailto:dcook@prosentient.com.au" target="_blank">dcook@prosentient.com.au</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org" target="_blank">koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Koha-devel] Koha now requires Perl 5.20</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>What's your proposal?<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>El lun., 16 de abr. de 2018 10:42 p. m., David Cook <<a href="mailto:dcook@prosentient.com.au" target="_blank">dcook@prosentient.com.au</a>> escribió:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I just tried to work on Koha master on OpenSUSE 42.3, which was released on 2017-07-26, but I’m being prevented from installing Koha, because OpenSUSE 42.3 uses Perl 5.18.2 rather than Perl 5.20. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I tracked the change back to <a href="https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20104" target="_blank">https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20104</a>. The claim was that C4::Log::cronlogaction uses caller and that caller doesn’t exist before Perl 5.20, but that’s not true. The caller function has been in Perl for an extremely long time. You can find it in RHEL 6.9 which uses Perl 5.10. I just used it in Perl 5.18.2. So that doesn’t seem like a good justification for requiring a minimum version of Perl 5.20.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have a feeling that this change is going to bite other people developing and using Koha around the world. There are people running Koha on openSUSE, Suse Enterprise Linux, Fedora, Red Hat, CentOS… probably other distros as well. Are we really going to exclude everyone that doesn’t use recent Debian-based distros from using newer versions of Koha?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It seems to me that this decision was made without community discussion. Maybe I’m wrong, but I figured I’d bring it up with everyone. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For my part, I’m just going to hack around this requirement for now, but I don’t really like that as a long-term solution. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What does everyone else think?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>David Cook<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Systems Librarian<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Prosentient Systems<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=72/330+Wattle+St+Ultimo,+NSW&entry=gmail&source=g">72/330 Wattle St</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=72/330+Wattle+St+Ultimo,+NSW&entry=gmail&source=g">Ultimo, NSW</a> 2007<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Australia<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Office: 02 9212 0899<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Direct: 02 8005 0595<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Koha-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org" target="_blank">Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel</a><br>website : <a href="http://www.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://www.koha-community.org/</a><br>git : <a href="http://git.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://git.koha-community.org/</a><br>bugs : <a href="http://bugs.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://bugs.koha-community.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'>Tomás Cohen Arazi</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'>Theke Solutions (<a href="http://theke.io/" target="_blank">https://theke.io</a>)<br></span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;color:#757575'>✆</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'> +54 9351 3513384<br>GPG: B2F3C15F</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'>Tomás Cohen Arazi<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'>Theke Solutions (<a href="http://theke.io/">https://theke.io</a>)<br></span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;color:#757575'>✆</span><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#757575'> +54 9351 3513384<br>GPG: B2F3C15F<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>