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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think whatever version of Perl that is in Debian would make sense for the community to support.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>However, I think there is a difference between supporting and requiring. Koha shouldn’t require the supported version, imho. If people – like us – want to use an unsupported version, the onus should be on them. There could be a warning on the About page saying that they’re using an unsupported version of Perl. I think that would make sense. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That said, there may come a time when there is a Perl language feature that is used in Koha which is only available in a new version of Perl. Ideally, it would be nice for Koha to stay as backwards compatible as possible, but that might not always be possible. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If we do move completely to a Plack/Mojolicious environment, that opens up possibilities with virtual environments too where we wouldn’t even have to use the system Perl anymore. Then we wouldn’t have to worry about the versions in OS distributions. We could just specify what version is needed for Koha and package that with it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>That said, I imagine there will be people using CGI for a long time in multi-tenant environments still. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sorry I guess that’s not much of an answer. I’d say… officially support what is in Debian but let people use unsupported versions. I mean… maybe we should require the Debian version. Folk like me can always just customize the source… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>David Cook<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Systems Librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Prosentient Systems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>72/330 Wattle St<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ultimo, NSW 2007<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Office: 02 9212 0899<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Direct: 02 8005 0595<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Jonathan Druart [mailto:jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 April 2018 9:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au><br><b>Cc:</b> koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Koha-devel] Koha now requires Perl 5.20<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>And after the revert we are going to talk about the version to support:<br>5.10 has been release on 2007 and end of life since 2009<br>"Please note that branches earlier than 5.20 are no longer supported, though fixes for urgent issues, for example severe security problems, may still be issued."<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Which version would seem acceptable to you?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>To me 5.20 sounds way too old already...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 at 07:57 Jonathan Druart <<a href="mailto:jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org">jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi David,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I did not confirm Mark's assumption on pushing but made sure 5.20 was available in most of the GNU/Linux distros I know.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>If this restriction is not necessary it does not make sense to keep it, I am going to revert the patch later today.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>However I am pretty sure 5.10 is not enough.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you have knowledge about how to install Koha on OpenSuse it would be great to update the wiki, the existing page is from 2010. We have people asking on #koha or the mailing list sometimes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Jonathan<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 22:41 David Cook <<a href="mailto:dcook@prosentient.com.au" target="_blank">dcook@prosentient.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I just tried to work on Koha master on OpenSUSE 42.3, which was released on 2017-07-26, but I’m being prevented from installing Koha, because OpenSUSE 42.3 uses Perl 5.18.2 rather than Perl 5.20. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I tracked the change back to <a href="https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20104" target="_blank">https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20104</a>. The claim was that C4::Log::cronlogaction uses caller and that caller doesn’t exist before Perl 5.20, but that’s not true. The caller function has been in Perl for an extremely long time. You can find it in RHEL 6.9 which uses Perl 5.10. I just used it in Perl 5.18.2. So that doesn’t seem like a good justification for requiring a minimum version of Perl 5.20.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have a feeling that this change is going to bite other people developing and using Koha around the world. There are people running Koha on openSUSE, Suse Enterprise Linux, Fedora, Red Hat, CentOS… probably other distros as well. Are we really going to exclude everyone that doesn’t use recent Debian-based distros from using newer versions of Koha?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>It seems to me that this decision was made without community discussion. Maybe I’m wrong, but I figured I’d bring it up with everyone. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>For my part, I’m just going to hack around this requirement for now, but I don’t really like that as a long-term solution. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What does everyone else think?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>David Cook<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Systems Librarian<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Prosentient Systems<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>72/330 Wattle St<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ultimo, NSW 2007<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Australia<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Office: <a href="tel:02%2092%2012%2008%2099" target="_blank">02 9212 0899</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Direct: <a href="tel:02%2080%2005%2005%2095" target="_blank">02 8005 0595</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Koha-devel mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org" target="_blank">Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel" target="_blank">http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel</a><br>website : <a href="http://www.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://www.koha-community.org/</a><br>git : <a href="http://git.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://git.koha-community.org/</a><br>bugs : <a href="http://bugs.koha-community.org/" target="_blank">http://bugs.koha-community.org/</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></body></html>