http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3792 --- Comment #1 from Jane Wagner <jwagner@ptfs.com> 2009-11-19 13:14:47 --- We had a lengthy discussion on the IRC about this yesterday, which I've edited down below. To summarize, possible solutions to fix this without breaking other things would be: (a) if the reserve table entry has a barcode but "waiting" status hasn't been set yet (the hold hasn't been triggered), recreate the hold as item level with that barcode; otherwise recreate as title level. This could miss some item-level holds that had already been triggered. or (b) investigate how the constraint field is presently used; if one of the settings means item level, then recreate that hold as item level. Otherwise recreate as title level. Any other comments or ideas? hdl jwagner: see 2830 should be the same. I wanted to fix that for 3.0.4 and then for 3.0.5 But had no time. I could ask nahuel to do it he had some ideas about that and a clear vision of C4/Reserves.pm but might take time as well jwagner hdl, I saw 2830, but it seemed to be the reverse -- comment #2 says it's going back into the holds queue as a copy specific instead of next available. I'm guessing it's probably related, though. wizzyrea I don't think you can specify the behavior either way because we would WANT it to be title level if that happened which is probably what 2830 is saying... jwagner No, the problem my people are having is that an item-specific hold suddenly becomes a title level hold, which is a problem if they're trying to reserve one particular issue of a journal, for example. wizzyrea right, but if you change it then that would break the way we use it (or want it to work) seewhatimean? jwagner no. Why wouldn't you want to keep an item-level hold as item-level? chris it should be an option jwagner But this one makes sense to me -- an item-level hold should STAY an item-level hold. Same for a title-level hold. chris liz is saying they want an item level to change to title level wizzyrea if it has been checked out to another patron wizzyrea in NExpress, we really try to avoid starting out with item level holds jwagner Right, but I don't understand why you would want it to change to a title level hold. Our particular case is journal issues, for example. If you've put a hold on Vol 32. No 5, you don't want it satisfied by Vol 31. No 2. chris this all worked fine in koha 1 cos you had group level holds so if you had 2 copies of Vol 32. No 5 you could place a group level reserve, and either of those would satisfy it. chris the problem with item level, say you have 28 copies of the same thing (in a consortia quite possible) jwagner Hmmm. But a checkin of something outside that group wouldn't fill the hold? chris jwagner: thats right wizzyrea that would probably be an enhancement to the special holds rules (walkin, local hold) etc jwagner Well, that sounds like a useful feature. I take it that it bit the dust with later versions? wizzyrea so you were looking at both macro and micro title chris it died when we started storing marc interntally chris koha used to have a three tier structure, biblio, biblioitem and item 1 to many, 1 to many. now its 1 to 1, 1 to many jwagner (one biblio, one biblioitem, many items?) chris thats how it is now cos marc doesnt understand manifestations of the same work or similair work. we'll get back there, its a tradeoff, internal marc support, breaking the group model chris now we just have to reimplement groups wizzyrea i am pretty sure, that in the case of magazines, each month has a bib, and every library adds their copy to that bib. this may be the wrong method of handling it (that's in NExpress) jwagner That would mean that you get gazillions of hits in the hitlist, if you search that title? wizzyrea yes wizzyrea but you could say Time, january chris so the solution for that, well a solution is a meta record that groups biblio records together so you can group all the months together, and the search displays just one row. this doesnt exist in koha yet but its on my list. personally i hate nothing more than getting 6 rows of the same item wizzyrea BUT, I can say that once an item is assigned to a patron, it essentially becomes an item level hold, and if that item is checked out to another patron, we WANT it to go back to being a title level, instead of waiting in the queue for that specific item chris *nod* jwagner Yes, a de-duping routine of some kind would be nice. chris that is the problem right there wizzyrea wizzyrea i'm afraid that if you fixed all item level holds to only map back to item level holds, that functionality would break jwagner So it sounds like fixing it the way we want really wouldn't work for you, wizzyrea. wizzyrea right, that's what I was trying to get across, I think chris once a hold is marked waiting, its switched to item-level from title. but if it gets issued, it needs to go back to title jwagner I have one of the programmers looking at it now. Sounds like we could either do it as a local fix, or maybe make it controlled by one of the all-proliferating sysprefs? chris consequently, if it started as item at the start, it should stay item its a trickier problem than it seems. to do it properly, you need to know the state the reserve started in, not how it is now if that makes sense wizzyrea yes yes yes jwagner It makes sense. Does the barcode in the reserves table change if it gets assigned? wizzyrea thank you, I knew there was something there that made my gut go EEKS! chris in the case of a title level hold, an item now gets assigned jwagner I know if you place an item-level hold to begin with, it embeds the barcode. The hold isn't triggered yet when our problem starts, it's still sitting there as priority 1. So at that point, if there's a barcode, it should be because it was set that way. chris yep, but a barcode gets set once an item is marked waiting wizzyrea I think this is a case for a special hold rule. I really do chris so if you just check that, a title level hold that is waiting, looks the same as an item-level jwagner So if there's a barcode but the "waiting" flag isn't set yet, keep the hold as an item-level, otherwise make title-level? * wizzyrea thinks that would work wizzyrea that seems logical to me, insomuch as my puny brain can grasp it jwagner chris, do you think that would be enough of a safeguard? chris that oughta work wizzyrea i like this, actually mdhafen what about the constraint column in reserves? I believe it was used for group reserves, but I don't know what it's for now. Maybe targeted holds? chris there used to be a field that had either an a or an o in it. a = all o = only the ones specified in constraints. if that is still in use, all you need to check is that column mdhafen right. Maybe that field could be re-purposed to track the original state of the hold? I suspect it is still in use, but I'm not certain. I don't see many item-level holds wizzyrea we don't either. i can say it's relatively annoying that holds become true item level once assigned. they're hard to work around, those irritating exceptions that make ILS's so hard to write. mdhafen chris is right, if the field is still in use it would indicate if a reserve was originally item level, I think. the reservecontraints table doesn't have itemnumber though, so maybe that isn't right. be cool if it did though. reserve constraints could be expanded to track item-level holds too. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are watching all bug changes.

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