[Bug 31008] New: Long-terms support version of Koha
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 Bug ID: 31008 Summary: Long-terms support version of Koha Change sponsored?: --- Product: Koha Version: master Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: new feature Priority: P5 - low Component: Installation and upgrade (web-based installer) Assignee: koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org Reporter: david@davidnind.com QA Contact: testopia@bugs.koha-community.org CC: gmcharlt@gmail.com Adding a "long-term support" release of Koha supported by the Koha Community. This would be in addition to current 18-months to two-year release support (stable, old stable, and old old stable). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 David Nind <david@davidnind.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alias| |LTS, version, of, Koha URL| |https://wiki.koha-community | |.org/wiki/LTS_workflow_prop | |osal --- Comment #1 from David Nind <david@davidnind.com> --- This was discussed at the Development IRC meeting on 8 June 2022. Meeting log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_8_june_2022... Meeting minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_8_june_2022... General agreement was reached that: 1. LTS = 2.5 to 3 years 2. Start with oldstable (which is now 21.11) 3. LTS maintainer role for each cycle (there is no expectation that this is same person for up to three years - can be/preferable that it is someone different each cycle) 4. Mandate = security + things that are broken (APIs (external), dependencies (such as Elasticsearch), etc) + essential backports only once past oldoldstable 5. Irregular release - only when something is needed once past oldoldstable 6. Let everyone know what LTS is and what it means for support (website, mailing list, manual section on supported versions, etc) For the next 21.11 release indicate that it is proposed that 21.11 becomes the first (next?) LTS release - we would confirm or otherwise at next development meeting. Actions to take (so far): 1. Create bug 2. Seek feedback on development mailing list 3. Agree at next available development IRC meeting 4. Once agreed: . Update website . Message to general mailing list . Add role for LTS release maintainer for the next cycle (23.05) . Installation notes . Manual section on supported versions -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 David Nind <david@davidnind.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |victor@tuxayo.net -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dcook@prosentient.com.au -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 David Nind <david@davidnind.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alias|Koha, LTS, of, version | --- Comment #2 from David Nind <david@davidnind.com> --- Message sent to development mailing list: https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2022-June/047143.html Added to the agenda for the 22 June 2022 Development IRC meeting - probably more as a progress report, as insufficient time provided to comment: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_22_June_2022 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|Long-terms support version |Long Term Support (LTS) |of Koha |version of Koha -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 --- Comment #3 from David Nind <david@davidnind.com> --- Discussed at the 22 June 2022 meeting: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_22_june_202... Comment received on mailing list from Paul Poulain about ecosystem around Koha such as the LTS versions of Ubuntu, Debian, database versions, and other dependencies such as specific perl modules: https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2022-June/047145.html
my main question is about the ecosystem around Koha. For example, how to manage Koha LTS regarding Debian/Ubuntu/Elastic Search/MariaDB... upgrades ? How can we be sure that, in 2 years, Koha LTS will become "unmaintainable" because it requires a Perl library that can't be upgraded and the underlying tool (OS, search engine...) isn't maintained anymore in the compatible version ?
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https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 --- Comment #4 from David Nind <david@davidnind.com> --- Discussed further at the 6 July 2022 development meeting https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_6_july_2022... General points discussed: 1) Which version will be LTS: discussion leant towards preferring 22.05, rather than 21.11 2) Overlap time (half year or year): discussion leant towards a year 3) Regular maintenance time (1 year, 1.5 years...) Diagram: https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 To add questions to vote on to the next agenda. Those not able to attend next meeting - add apologies and record votes in advance (if questions added to the agenda). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 --- Comment #5 from Victor Grousset/tuxayo <victor@tuxayo.net> --- Discussed further at the Development IRC meeting 20 July 2022 http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-07-20#i_2439428 See discussion and diagram 2 and 3 about the need to have 3.5 years of LTS maintenance. https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 tl;dr there need to be a year of overlap to allow jumping to LTS to LTS on the any time of the year. To allow libraries to be able to pick or winter or summer for example depending on their organization. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 Fridolin Somers <fridolin.somers@biblibre.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |fridolin.somers@biblibre.co | |m -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31008 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED --- Comment #6 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- Decisions have been made and documented: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Versioning#LTS_Releases -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
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