https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 Gaetan Boisson <gaetan.boisson@biblibre.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Depends on| |19974 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19974 [Bug 19974] Marking an item as 'lost' will not actually modify the current item (cataloguing/additem.pl) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de --- Comment #2 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- The items tab has a lot of information that we don't have in other places. - full acq history - last patrons who checked the item out - item specific checkout history ... I don't feel it's useless at all at the moment or easy to replace. We'd need a good concept for giving access to the information that is only displayed there. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 --- Comment #4 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- (In reply to Gaetan Boisson from comment #3)

"Also you can mark items as lost, damaged or withdrawn in one click, add notes, etc."

Yes, but it requires you to go to this items tab, so one click to change the page. If you click modify next to the item you want to modify in the normal display, you also get a screen where you can modify these values quickly. I think the benefit here is marginal at best.

I could agree on removing the editing options or placing them in a better place. At the moment I think the link on the barcode from checkouts goes to the items tab and allows for faster editing there. Would have to chang that. Might be interesting anyway - looking for links to the item tab.

"- full acq history"

I think this is now available in the acquisition tab in the normal display.

No, quite a different beast as it was added libraries using AcqCreateItem in Catalouging in mind. The acq tab gives you a summaries of orders for the record, not information about items.

"- last patrons who checked the item out - item specific checkout history"

Filters in the checkout history for the bibliographic record allow us to find this information.

But it's not as compact and requires more clicks. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 Lisette <lisetteslatah@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lisetteslatah@gmail.com --- Comment #6 from Lisette <lisetteslatah@gmail.com> --- (In reply to Joy Nelson from comment #5)

Additionally, the difference in functionality is something many libraries have built very specific workflows around and would need to retain. (charging fines/removing checkouts) Removing the quick editing function (set to lost/missing - adding notes quickly) would be onerous for some libraries.

We are one of those libraries that would have major workflow problems if the quick edit function was removed. Our circulation desk staff visits these pages constantly to change items to lost or damaged statuses, as well as to check on previous borrower information. Our circ staff can quick edit only the statuses on this page but can't go in and edit the whole record/item, which works perfectly for our workflow.

I'm in agreement with Katrin here. There is valuable information that libraries need access to at a glance. (# of circs, history, etc) You would still need a place to display this information on a tab here.

Having info like total circs etc also means if we are already marking it with a status that needs that kind of information further down the workflow, we have it all in the same easy to find place. -Lisette -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 Heather <heather_hernandez@nps.gov> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |heather_hernandez@nps.gov --- Comment #8 from Heather <heather_hernandez@nps.gov> --- I'm a total cataloger, and I find that trying to edit items via that "Items" button on the left in between the "ISBD" and "Holds" button is, to me, horrid--the resulting display of item records going endlessly down screen with tons of white space is terrible--it's not uncommon for us to have dozens, if not hundreds, of items on a record, and even where there are just a few items, the display scrolls down and down without really clear delineation between items--it's easy for staff to make mistakes and edit the wrong item so all my staff is trained to use the Edit Items tab into the edit items table. When I have a serial with 200+ items, it is pretty much impossible to try to navigate to trying to edit an item via that button. I always choose the "Edit" pull-down-menu button across the top of the bib record which is in between the "New" button and the "Save" button, which gives me a, to me, more easily navigated visually table of items with instant access to a search box at the top of the table, and I would love for this to be the only way to get into editing items. If the "Edit items" table is too confusing for non-catalogers, then perhaps there's a way to control the column visibility via their login so that they can achieve an edit items experience suited to their commonly used tasks? (There may be already--I haven't checked--my staff is trained to use the Column Visibility function). I am generally in favor of a user-customizable experience and one can customize the Edit Items table easily via Column Visibility and the search box. And it just seems like there should be only way to edit items--this is the only ILS I've ever seen that has two different edit item functions. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 --- Comment #10 from Heather <heather_hernandez@nps.gov> --- Hi, Joy! Oh, yes--I understand that there are different actions & useful information & stats there--I just hope that it can all be combined into one method for updating items. And I just had to add my opinion about which method for editing was preferable for me & why, in case it was useful. Overall, I just hope that there will eventually be one method. --h2

Yes, it is unusual to have to two methods to update items. However, keep in mind that there are different actions taken by Koha when editing lost statuses in the Items tab or Items grid. For circulating libraries (mainly public) this is essential for their workflow. Additionally the information about circulation stats that can be easily and quickly seen on the Items tab is useful for circulating libraries.

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https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 Elaine Bradtke <eb@efdss.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |eb@efdss.org --- Comment #12 from Elaine Bradtke <eb@efdss.org> --- +1 I can see how some libraries use this, but it's very awkward with multiple items. (In reply to Heather from comment #8)

I'm a total cataloger, and I find that trying to edit items via that "Items" button on the left in between the "ISBD" and "Holds" button is, to me, horrid--the resulting display of item records going endlessly down screen with tons of white space is terrible--it's not uncommon for us to have dozens, if not hundreds, of items on a record, and even where there are just a few items, the display scrolls down and down without really clear delineation between items--it's easy for staff to make mistakes and edit the wrong item so all my staff is trained to use the Edit Items tab into the edit items table. When I have a serial with 200+ items, it is pretty much impossible to try to navigate to trying to edit an item via that button. I always choose the "Edit" pull-down-menu button across the top of the bib record which is in between the "New" button and the "Save" button, which gives me a, to me, more easily navigated visually table of items with instant access to a search box at the top of the table, and I would love for this to be the only way to get into editing items.

If the "Edit items" table is too confusing for non-catalogers, then perhaps there's a way to control the column visibility via their login so that they can achieve an edit items experience suited to their commonly used tasks? (There may be already--I haven't checked--my staff is trained to use the Column Visibility function). I am generally in favor of a user-customizable experience and one can customize the Edit Items table easily via Column Visibility and the search box.

And it just seems like there should be only way to edit items--this is the only ILS I've ever seen that has two different edit item functions.

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https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 Hugh Rundle <hughr@brimbank.vic.gov.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |hughr@brimbank.vic.gov.au --- Comment #14 from Hugh Rundle <hughr@brimbank.vic.gov.au> --- The functionality in the items tab is definitely not redundant. However, it *is* pretty confusing that clicking on the barcode and clicking on 'edit item' take you to two completely different places. It feels like 'click on barcode' is supposed to take the user to somewhere useful for circ changes (e.g. changing a item statuses) and clicking on 'edit' is more designed for cataloguing changes (e.g. updating a call number). However, this isn't actually consistent: you can't change a Not-For-Loan status in "Items", for example, which doesn't seem to be very logical. So I don't have a big problem with removing the tab, as long as there is no loss of *ease*, and the functional separation between "things circ staff might need to update" and "things cataloguing staff might need to update" is still there: i.e. forcing everyone to go into the cataloguing module to update an item status would be bad, not least because it means all circ staff would need access to cataloguing. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20528 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|In Discussion |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |INVALID --- Comment #15 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- I feel like a total removal is out of question for now reading through the comments, but there are some issues about usability with the items tab. I feel like some might have been addressed since this was filed in 2018, but we might still have room for improvement. I suggest to file separate bugs for any single identifiable issue or idea. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.