[Bug 10047] New: Cataloguing search maybe useless?
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 Bug ID: 10047 Summary: Cataloguing search maybe useless? Classification: Unclassified Change sponsored?: --- Product: Koha Version: master Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P5 - low Component: Cataloging Assignee: gmcharlt@gmail.com Reporter: mathieu.saby@univ-rennes2.fr CC: m.de.rooy@rijksmuseum.nl I dont see the goal of cataloguing search (/cataloguing/addbooks.pl), except it searches also in the reservoir. When I search a record, I use ordinary catalog search, and I click on "Edit" button. And most of our librarians are doing so. Moreover, the new "Cancel" button on /cataloguing/addbiblio.pl page send you back to "Detail" page, even if you have come to addbiblio.pl from addbooks page. So maybe we could get rid of cataloguing search, and add an option to see records of the reservoir in normal search ? Mathieu Saby -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de --- Comment #1 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- Hm, maybe when nothing is found in search, we could forward to the cataloguing search for a search in the reservoir. So if you don't find what you are looking for, expand search into the cataloguing search to check the reservoir, then repeat that search with z39.50. Right now I don't see how we could integrate the reservoir search into the normal search well. Having a tool more dedicated to cataloguers makes sense to me, but maybe the page and the functionality needs some thought. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 --- Comment #2 from mathieu saby <mathieu.saby@univ-rennes2.fr> --- It was just an idea... Having 2 places in Koha for searching records seems strange when you have used other ILS. Moreover, is not it a potential source of bugs to maintain 2 files for the same purpose (searching records)? M. Saby -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 --- Comment #3 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- I think the reservoir is not Zebra, but only MySQL search. So it would probably not be so easy to merge those 2. Maybe it should just be a reservoir search? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 Liz Rea <liz@catalyst.net.nz> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |liz@catalyst.net.nz --- Comment #4 from Liz Rea <liz@catalyst.net.nz> --- I have always found this extremely odd as well - I would like to hear librarians tell us what they like about the cataloguing search (in addition to the reservoir) so that we can integrate that into the main search and eliminate the cataloguing search. It's confusing and needs to go away. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 Nicole C. Engard <nengard@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |nengard@gmail.com --- Comment #5 from Nicole C. Engard <nengard@gmail.com> --- The history of this is that the cataloging search used to be the only place with the edit items and edit record links ... but now that's on the regular search as well so I agree it's still to have two searches. I think the cataloging search should only search the reservoir and be renamed such. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 --- Comment #6 from mathieu saby <mathieu.saby@univ-rennes2.fr> --- Maybe we could suppress cataloguing search, and add a button in normal search to enlarge the scope of the search to include the reservoir if the librarian wants to do so and have permissions? M. Saby -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |chris@bigballofwax.co.nz --- Comment #7 from Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> --- (In reply to Nicole C. Engard from comment #5)
The history of this is that the cataloging search used to be the only place with the edit items and edit record links ... but now that's on the regular search as well so I agree it's still to have two searches. I think the cataloging search should only search the reservoir and be renamed such.
Not entirely true, you could always edit biblios and items from the staff Catalogue, even as far back as 1.0. Back then there was also the catalogue maintenance module where you could undelete biblio and items, and move items to different biblioitems (groups). Cataloguing search has also always been there, because yes it searches not only what is in the catalogue but what has been staged also. In one search. I'd like to be sure people aren't using it before we attempt yet another refactoring exercise and cause regressions. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 --- Comment #8 from Galen Charlton <gmcharlt@gmail.com> --- An additional point -- there are targets where it can cost money to perform Z39.50 searches ... per search! I believe that this was the case with OCLC at one point, and there may be other cases. The reservoir offers a way of reducing cataloging costs by checking it first before resorting to a Z39.50 search. How well this works in practice, I don't know, but I would be curious to hear from catalogers who use Koha on a daily basis. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 --- Comment #9 from Nicole C. Engard <nengard@gmail.com> --- *** Bug 2136 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 Marjorie Barry-Vila <marjorie.barry-vila@ccsr.qc.ca> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |marjorie.barry-vila@ccsr.qc | |.ca -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10047 Nick Clemens <nick@quecheelibrary.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |nick@quecheelibrary.org --- Comment #10 from Nick Clemens <nick@quecheelibrary.org> --- As a regular cataloger I have always avoided cataloging search since, in the versions we have used, ISBNs did not normalize and I couldn't use the search commands (ti:, au: etc) I have also encountered sorting issues like finding exact title matches far down or on later pages. I think most catalogers in our consortia do use the 'cataloging' search, but I suspect that is mostly because of the name and that is how they were trained. I would be very happy to see reservoir search as a tab option in the header with focus on the 'search the catalog tab' Just my two cents -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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