[Bug 25233] New: MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl material type label "Text" should be "Book"
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Bug ID: 25233 Summary: MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl material type label "Text" should be "Book" Change sponsored?: --- Product: Koha Version: master Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: minor Priority: P5 - low Component: OPAC Assignee: oleonard@myacpl.org Reporter: lucas@bywatersolutions.com QA Contact: testopia@bugs.koha-community.org In the OPAC Details if you set the leader06 = 'a' and leader07 = 'c' 'd' or 'm' the display says 'Text'. At the same time the Staff Details page will show 'Book'. This should be consistent on both and I believe Book is correct. To Recreate: 1. Have a record with leader06 = 'a' and leader07 = 'c' 'd' or 'm'. 2. Check the OPAC details and see that is says 'Text'. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl |OPAC XSLT material type |material type label "Text" |label "Text" should be |should be "Book" |"Book" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |Needs Signoff -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #1 from Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> --- Created attachment 103420 --> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=103420&action=edit Bug 25233: Make OPAC XSLT stylesheets consistent with the ones for the staff client This patch makes the OPAC XSLT stylesheets consistent with the ones for the staff client TO TEST: 1. Have a record with leader06 = 'a' and leader07 = 'c' 'd' or 'm'. 2. Check the OPAC results and details page. See that the materila type label says "Text" 3. Check the staff client results and details page. See that the materila type label says "Book" 4. Apply patch. 5. See that both staff client and OPAC results/details all now say "Book" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #2 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- It was changed to Text on purpose a while ago IIRC, because the description is not book on the MARC standard, it can be anything textual, not only print. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #3 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- Not only books is what I mean. I remember because we had librraies complaining about the book icon in some combinations. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #4 from Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> --- Cait, So to be consistent with between OPAC/staff should be change the wording in the staff client XSLT to 'Text'? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #5 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> ---
leader06 = 'a' and leader07 = 'c' 'd' or 'm'
a - Language material Used for non-manuscript language material. Manuscript language material uses code t.Includes microforms and electronic resources that are basically textual in nature, whether they are reproductions from print or originally produced. c - Collection d - Subunit m - Monograph/Item The interesting part is, that a is also used for microforms and electronic resources, so the book and "book" description is not helpful in these cases. I think we should change staff to match. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #6 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- Yes, sorry, just typed up the other comment - I had worked that out a while ago when we got the complaints and I was trying to see if our records were correct. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Depends on| |10562 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10562 [Bug 10562] Improve Leader06 Type Labels in MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment #103420|0 |1 is obsolete| | --- Comment #7 from Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> --- Created attachment 103424 --> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=103424&action=edit Make the staff client XSLT stylesheets consistent with the ones for the OPAC This patch makes the staff client XSLT stylesheets consistent with the ones for the OPAC, it also makes consitent the use of 'Text' when the leader6 = 't' TO TEST: 1. Have a record with leader06 = 'a' and leader07 = 'c' 'd' or 'm'. 2. Check the staff client results and details page. See that the material type label says "Book" 3. Check the OPAC client results and details page. See that the materila type label says "Text" 4. Apply patch. 5. See that both staff client and OPAC results/details all now say "Text" 6. Set the leader6 = 't' and make sure that is says 'Text' on both the staff client and OPAC -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|OPAC XSLT material type |Staff XSLT material type |label "Text" should be |label "Book" should be |"Book" |"Text" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|oleonard@myacpl.org |lucas@bywatersolutions.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dcook@prosentient.com.au --- Comment #8 from David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au> --- (In reply to Katrin Fischer from comment #6)
Yes, sorry, just typed up the other comment - I had worked that out a while ago when we got the complaints and I was trying to see if our records were correct.
Yep, I totally agree with you. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Kelly McElligott <kelly@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kelly@bywatersolutions.com --- Comment #9 from Kelly McElligott <kelly@bywatersolutions.com> --- Hi Katrin, When I look up the Marc Standard for the appropriate term for this material type, I am finding more examples are directing toward the word Book, not Text. http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/fixedfield/type.html Can you tell me where the marc standard that Koha is following can be found, and then I have a place to direct a library to? Overall, I would love to see these consistent in Staff and OPAC. Thanks! Kell -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #10 from Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> --- (In reply to Kelly McElligott from comment #9)
I don't see any mention of "Book" on this page. The language is very generic.
Isn't the use of "BKS - Books" on this page a decision made by OCLC, not part of the MARC standard?
Can you tell me where the marc standard that Koha is following can be found, and then I have a place to direct a library to?
I think using the term "Text" is a good human-readable compromise. On the other hand, if a library is complaining about it why not use a custom XSL file? (Bug 25216 notwithstanding). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patch complexity|--- |String patch Status|Needs Signoff |Signed Off -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment #103424|0 |1 is obsolete| | --- Comment #11 from Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> --- Created attachment 103469 --> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=103469&action=edit Bug 25233: Staff XSLT material type label "Book" should be "Text" This patch makes the staff client XSLT stylesheets consistent with the ones for the OPAC, it also makes consitent the use of 'Text' when the leader6 = 't' TO TEST: 1. Have a record with leader06 = 'a' and leader07 = 'c' 'd' or 'm'. 2. Check the staff client results and details page. See that the material type label says "Book" 3. Check the OPAC client results and details page. See that the materila type label says "Text" 4. Apply patch. 5. See that both staff client and OPAC results/details all now say "Text" 6. Set the leader6 = 't' and make sure that is says 'Text' on both the staff client and OPAC Signed-off-by: Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #12 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- Hi Kelly,
When I look up the Marc Standard for the appropriate term for this material type, I am finding more examples are directing toward the word Book, not Text.
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/fixedfield/type.html
Can you be more specific about the examples?
Can you tell me where the marc standard that Koha is following can be found, and then I have a place to direct a library to?
I always assumed there is only one standard, with the documents published on the LOC page: http://www.loc.gov/marc/ I know that Germany and other countries are also participating in the development of the standard by participation in the committees (http://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/MAC_members.html). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #13 from David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au> --- (In reply to Kelly McElligott from comment #9)
Hi Katrin, When I look up the Marc Standard for the appropriate term for this material type, I am finding more examples are directing toward the word Book, not Text.
http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/fixedfield/type.html
Hi Kelly, I think that you're misinterpreting what you're seeing in those links. Library of Congress (http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html): " - Language material Used for non-manuscript language material. Manuscript language material uses code t. Includes microforms and electronic resources that are basically textual in nature, whether they are reproductions from print or originally produced." Definitely "Text" rather than "Book. OCLC (https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/fixedfield/type.html): You can see "Language material" being used for "BKS - Books" and "CNR - Continuing Resources" at the top there. These are OCLC concepts and not MARC standards. If you go down further, you'll also see this text: " a Language material. Non-manuscript language or textual material including all published print language material, original microform publications of language material, microform reproductions of published language material, and published textual electronic resources. In Books format, examples include books, pamphlets, technical reports, etc. In Continuing Resources format, examples include annuals, journals, newspapers, periodicals, proceedings, etc. Use code e or f for cartographic atlases. Use code t for manuscript or unpublished language material. Use code a for online textual material, including digitized textual manuscripts." So note that "Books" is a format that OCLC applies to more than just Books. And "Language material" applies to many non-Books with that Continuing Resources format like journals, newspapers, etc. Ultimately, there's just really no possible way that "Book" is an accurate label for "Language material". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #14 from David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au> --- For what it's worth, I'm the one who opened the report to change "Book" to "Text" for the OPAC back in 2013: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10562. I think Owen wrote his patch in 2018 and it got pushed in 2019. Oh... but something that we're not considering is the Leader/07 and that's something that is obviated by https://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/fixedfield/type.html. In the OCLC example, they're choosing "Books" with a Leader/07 of a,c,d,m and "Continuing Resources" with a Leader/07 of b, i, s. If we look at the patch, the XSLT does actually generate a label based on both Leader/06 and Leader/07, Koha is saying "Book/Text" for Leader/07 of c,d,m... "Continuing resource" for Leader/07 of i, s... "Article" for Leader/07 of "a" or "b". I don't think we considered the Leader/07 with the Leader/06 when I originally raised the issue in Bugzilla back in 2013... It's tricky because OCLC's and Koha's use of the Leader/07 with the Leader/06 is still a bit problematic. For instance, a Leader/06 of "a" and Leader/07 of "a" would be classed by OCLC as a Book and by Koha as an Article, but it could actually be a "Book Chapter". The MARC standard itself is pretty problematic, especially when it comes to fixed field data (ie trying to put too much information into too small a space). I mean that's why we have fields like https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd336.html https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd337.html https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd338.html It seems to me the goals of the cataloguer are at odds with the goals of the user-facing library. I still think "Text" is probably the best compromise for a label, but I can understand opposition to that. For what it's worth, so long as it's consistent across the staff client and OPAC, I don't care too much. Since it's in the XSLT, it is fairly easy to customize. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|Signed Off |Passed QA -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment #103469|0 |1 is obsolete| | --- Comment #15 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- Created attachment 103716 --> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=103716&action=edit Bug 25233: Staff XSLT material type label "Book" should be "Text" This patch makes the staff client XSLT stylesheets consistent with the ones for the OPAC, it also makes consitent the use of 'Text' when the leader6 = 't' TO TEST: 1. Have a record with leader06 = 'a' and leader07 = 'c' 'd' or 'm'. 2. Check the staff client results and details page. See that the material type label says "Book" 3. Check the OPAC client results and details page. See that the materila type label says "Text" 4. Apply patch. 5. See that both staff client and OPAC results/details all now say "Text" 6. Set the leader6 = 't' and make sure that is says 'Text' on both the staff client and OPAC Signed-off-by: Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> Signed-off-by: Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer.83@web.de> -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Martin Renvoize <martin.renvoize@ptfs-europe.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version(s)| |20.05.00 released in| | Status|Passed QA |Pushed to master -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 --- Comment #16 from Martin Renvoize <martin.renvoize@ptfs-europe.com> --- Nice work everyone! Pushed to master for 20.05 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Joy Nelson <joy@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |joy@bywatersolutions.com Version(s)|20.05.00 |20.05.00, 19.11.06 released in| | Status|Pushed to master |Pushed to stable --- Comment #17 from Joy Nelson <joy@bywatersolutions.com> --- Backported to 19.11.x for 19.11.06 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|Pushed to stable |Pushed to oldstable Version(s)|20.05.00, 19.11.06 |20.05.00, 19.11.06, released in| |19.05.11 --- Comment #18 from Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> --- backported to 19.05.x for 19.05.11 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25233 Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |FIXED Status|Pushed to oldstable |RESOLVED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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