[Bug 15534] New: Add the ability to prevent a patron from placing a hold on a record with available items
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 Bug ID: 15534 Summary: Add the ability to prevent a patron from placing a hold on a record with available items Change sponsored?: --- Product: Koha Version: unspecified Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P5 - low Component: Hold requests Assignee: koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org Reporter: kyle@bywatersolutions.com QA Contact: testopia@bugs.koha-community.org CC: gmcharlt@gmail.com Some libraries would like to prevent patrons from placing holds on records/items where there are other items available for the patron to check out. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 Kyle M Hall <kyle@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|koha-bugs@lists.koha-commun |kyle@bywatersolutions.com |ity.org | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 Kyle M Hall <kyle@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Depends on| |15533 Referenced Bugs: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15533 [Bug 15533] Allow patrons and librarians to select itemtype when placing hold -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 Kyle M Hall <kyle@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |Needs Signoff -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 --- Comment #1 from Kyle M Hall <kyle@bywatersolutions.com> --- Created attachment 46463 --> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=46463&action=edit Bug 15534 - Add the ability to prevent a patron from placing a hold on a record with available items Some libraries would like to prevent patrons from placing holds on records/items where there are other items available for the patron to check out. Test Plan: 1) Apply this patch 2) Run updatedatabase.pl 3) Browse to the circulation rules 4) Note the new rule "Allow hold if others available" 5) Set the rule to "No" 6) Find a patron/branch/itemtype applicable to this rule 7) Ensure at least one item on the record is available for the patron to check out 8) Attempt to place a hold for the patron 9) Note you cannot place the hold 10) Check the available item out to another patron 11) Note you can now place a hold for the first patron -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|Needs Signoff |In Discussion Version|unspecified |master --- Comment #2 from Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> --- I don't think this is the right solution for what is currently a messy problem. As I understand it, the current "allow on shelf holds" feature will let you place a hold if *any* of multiple items is unavailable. I understand that this is The Way It Has Been, but the description of the option in and the documentation do NOT make it explicit that this is the behavior. My initial reaction to this patch is that it's trying to make "allow on shelf holds" work the way it is actually described rather than how it really works. Do libraries who use the "allow on shelf holds" feature *want* it to work that way, or do they use it because it's better than nothing? I think having two settings, "allow on shelf holds" and "allow hold if others available" is needlessly confusing. On the face of it they both look like they do exactly the same thing, and I have no idea how they're supposed to work in conjunction with each other. In my test of this patch I set a global all item types/all patron categories rule with both "allow on shelf holds" and "allow hold if others available" set to "no." However, I was able to place a hold on a title which has one checked-out item and three available. I don't think that's right. There have been other discussions of this issue too which should be taken into account: Bug 6837 and Bug 9190. If we bring it all together is there a single solution which can accommodate everyone's needs? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 --- Comment #3 from Kyle M Hall <kyle@bywatersolutions.com> --- (In reply to Owen Leonard from comment #2) I think we can establish right now that we can't change the shelf holds behavior. It has been this way so long that it is a fundamental part of how Koha works. We can however, add an alternative. I think the basic issue is that shelfholds = no and allow_hold_if_items_available are fundamentally at odss with each other and should be mutually exclusive. I had though to somehow extend shelfholds, but it's inner workings are completely different than what is needed for allow_hold_if_items_available. It *would* be possible for an additional option in on shelf holds allowed, so the choices would be: Yes Only if at least one item is unavailable Only if all itmes are unavailble This would require a bit more code, changing all the shelfhold checks from if $shelfholds to if $shelfholds == 1, but that isn't too onerous a change. Then I could remove my new rule and use the existing shelfholds rule for the new logic code. How does that sound Owen? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 Kyle M Hall <kyle@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |axel.jacquin@bsz-bw.de --- Comment #4 from Kyle M Hall <kyle@bywatersolutions.com> --- *** Bug 6837 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 --- Comment #5 from Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> --- (In reply to Kyle M Hall from comment #3)
It *would* be possible for an additional option in on shelf holds allowed, so the choices would be: Yes Only if at least one item is unavailable Only if all itmes are unavailble
This sounds like a good solution based on what I've heard and read in other bug reports. However since my library doesn't use the feature at all I think it would be good to seek out opinions from people who do. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15534 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de --- Comment #6 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- I think a third option to the former 'allowonshelfholds' sounds good! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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