From COURYHOUSE@aol.com Wed Jun 18 15:21:25 2003 From: COURYHOUSE@aol.com To: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Re: [Koha] 3rd pre 2.0 meeting Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:22:19 +0000 Message-ID: <105.30fc5aba.2c223f8d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0520356665137123842==" --===============0520356665137123842== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK so it is still not going to be useable=C2=A0 by our community for a while = then.=20 Ultra bummer. now I have 30 sad news emails to send out. > Subj: [Koha-devel] Re: [Koha] 3rd pre 2.0 meeting=20 > Date: 6/18/2003 3:11:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time > From: pate@eylerfamily.org > To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz,= koha-devel@lists.sourcef= orge.net > Sent from the Internet=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 COURYHOUSE@aol.com wrote: >=20 > >any news on the lc vrs dewey? >=20 > look for it in 2.0.1, but not before. >=20 > -pate >=20 >=20 --===============0520356665137123842== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PEhUTUw+PEZPTlQgRkFDRT1hcmlhbCxoZWx2ZXRpY2E+PEZPTlQgIFNJWkU9MiBGQU1JTFk9IlNB TlNTRVJJRiIgRkFDRT0iQXJpYWwiIExBTkc9IjAiPjxCUj4KPEJSPgpPSyBzbyBpdCBpcyBzdGls bCBub3QgZ29pbmcgdG8gYmUgdXNlYWJsZaAgYnkgb3VyIGNvbW11bml0eSBmb3IgYSB3aGlsZSB0 aGVuLiBVbHRyYSBidW1tZXIuIG5vdyBJIGhhdmUgMzAgc2FkIG5ld3MgZW1haWxzIHRvIHNlbmQg b3V0LjxCUj4KPEJSPgo8QkxPQ0tRVU9URSBUWVBFPUNJVEUgc3R5bGU9IkJPUkRFUi1MRUZUOiAj MDAwMGZmIDJweCBzb2xpZDsgTUFSR0lOLUxFRlQ6IDVweDsgTUFSR0lOLVJJR0hUOiAwcHg7IFBB RERJTkctTEVGVDogNXB4Ij5TdWJqOiA8Qj5bS29oYS1kZXZlbF0gUmU6IFtLb2hhXSAzcmQgcHJl IDIuMCBtZWV0aW5nIDwvQj48QlI+CkRhdGU6IDYvMTgvMjAwMyAzOjExOjM0IFBNIFVTIE1vdW50 YWluIFN0YW5kYXJkIFRpbWU8QlI+CkZyb206IDxBIEhSRUY9Im1haWx0bzpwYXRlQGV5bGVyZmFt aWx5Lm9yZyI+cGF0ZUBleWxlcmZhbWlseS5vcmc8L0E+PEJSPgpUbzogPEEgSFJFRj0ibWFpbHRv OmtvaGFAbGlzdHMua2F0aXBvLmNvLm56Ij5rb2hhQGxpc3RzLmthdGlwby5jby5uejwvQT4sIDxB IEhSRUY9Im1haWx0bzprb2hhLWRldmVsQGxpc3RzLnNvdXJjZWZvcmdlLm5ldCI+a29oYS1kZXZl bEBsaXN0cy5zb3VyY2Vmb3JnZS5uZXQ8L0E+PEJSPgo8ST5TZW50IGZyb20gdGhlIEludGVybmV0 IDwvST48QlI+CjxCUj4KPEJSPgo8QlI+Ck9uIFdlZCwgMTggSnVuIDIwMDMgQ09VUllIT1VTRUBh b2wuY29tIHdyb3RlOjxCUj4KPEJSPgomZ3Q7YW55IG5ld3Mgb24gdGhlIGxjIHZycyBkZXdleT88 QlI+CjxCUj4KbG9vayBmb3IgaXQgaW4gMi4wLjEsIGJ1dCBub3QgYmVmb3JlLjxCUj4KPEJSPgot cGF0ZTxCUj4KPEJSPgo8L0JMT0NLUVVPVEU+PEJSPgo8L0ZPTlQ+PC9IVE1MPg== --===============0520356665137123842==-- From chicks@chicks.net Wed Jun 18 15:27:47 2003 From: Christopher Hicks To: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Re: [Koha] 3rd pre 2.0 meeting Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:38:24 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <105.30fc5aba.2c223f8d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7318733465852820312==" --===============7318733465852820312== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 COURYHOUSE@aol.com wrote: > OK so it is still not going to be useable=C2=A0 by our community for a whil= e then.=20 > Ultra bummer. now I have 30 sad news emails to send out. It doesn't have to be sad news emails! It's just a matter of timing. =20 You can play with 2.0 koha while waiting for 2.0.1 to get familiar with Koha and discover any other issues you may need fixed. By the time 2.0.1 comes out you'll be ready to consider a beta schedule and projected production date. Plus actively testing 2.0 until the next minor release comes will almost certainly help 2.0.1 arrive sooner. What sadness? --=20 The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. -Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977) --===============7318733465852820312==-- From paul.poulain@free.fr Thu Jun 19 01:00:27 2003 From: paul POULAIN To: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Re: [Koha] 3rd pre 2.0 meeting Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:03:11 +0000 Message-ID: <3EF16E62.8010308@free.fr> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1528475636381482506==" --===============1528475636381482506== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christopher Hicks wrote: >On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 COURYHOUSE@aol.com wrote: > =20 > >>OK so it is still not going to be useable by our community for a while the= n.=20 >>Ultra bummer. now I have 30 sad news emails to send out. >> =20 >> >It doesn't have to be sad news emails! It's just a matter of timing. =20 >You can play with 2.0 koha while waiting for 2.0.1 to get familiar with >Koha and discover any other issues you may need fixed. By the time 2.0.1 >comes out you'll be ready to consider a beta schedule and projected >production date. Plus actively testing 2.0 until the next minor release >comes will almost certainly help 2.0.1 arrive sooner. What sadness? > =20 > ** 1 ** 100% agree with christopher. Note also that we speak of 2.0.1, not of 2.2 ! I remind : 2.0.x =3D> improvments 2.2 =3D> new features LC not being a new feature imho. ** 2 ** What's not nice with Libre software is that you may sometimes have to=20 wait for a feature. What's nice with Libre software is that if you don't want to wait you=20 can do it yourself or fund it (if you want to fund this feature, feel=20 free to ask. I'm sure I won't be the only volunteer...) PS : some ppl in France says that "Libre software" is often used in=20 english countries to avoid the "free" mistake (like free speach, not=20 free beer). Is it true ? --=20 Paul POULAIN Consultant ind=C3=A9pendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org) --===============1528475636381482506== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PCFET0NUWVBFIGh0bWwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMDEgVHJhbnNpdGlvbmFs Ly9FTiI+CjxodG1sPgo8aGVhZD4KICA8bWV0YSBodHRwLWVxdWl2PSJDb250ZW50LVR5cGUiIGNv bnRlbnQ9InRleHQvaHRtbDtjaGFyc2V0PUlTTy04ODU5LTEiPgogIDx0aXRsZT48L3RpdGxlPgo8 L2hlYWQ+Cjxib2R5PgpDaHJpc3RvcGhlciBIaWNrcyB3cm90ZTo8YnI+CjxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5 cGU9ImNpdGUiCiBjaXRlPSJtaWRQaW5lLkxOWC40LjQ0LjAzMDYxODE3MjIzMzAuMjIxODQtMTAw MDAwQHlha2tvLmNoaWNrcy5uZXQiPgogIDxwcmUgd3JhcD0iIj5PbiBXZWQsIDE4IEp1biAyMDAz IDxhIGNsYXNzPSJtb3otdHh0LWxpbmstYWJicmV2aWF0ZWQiIGhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzpDT1VSWUhP VVNFQGFvbC5jb20iPkNPVVJZSE9VU0VAYW9sLmNvbTwvYT4gd3JvdGU6CiAgPC9wcmU+CiAgPGJs b2NrcXVvdGUgdHlwZT0iY2l0ZSI+CiAgICA8cHJlIHdyYXA9IiI+T0sgc28gaXQgaXMgc3RpbGwg bm90IGdvaW5nIHRvIGJlIHVzZWFibGUmbmJzcDsgYnkgb3VyIGNvbW11bml0eSBmb3IgYSB3aGls ZSB0aGVuLiAKVWx0cmEgYnVtbWVyLiBub3cgSSBoYXZlIDMwIHNhZCBuZXdzIGVtYWlscyB0byBz ZW5kIG91dC4KICAgIDwvcHJlPgogIDwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT4KICA8cHJlIHdyYXA9IiI+PCEtLS0t Pkl0IGRvZXNuJ3QgaGF2ZSB0byBiZSBzYWQgbmV3cyBlbWFpbHMhICBJdCdzIGp1c3QgYSBtYXR0 ZXIgb2YgdGltaW5nLiAgCllvdSBjYW4gcGxheSB3aXRoIDIuMCBrb2hhIHdoaWxlIHdhaXRpbmcg Zm9yIDIuMC4xIHRvIGdldCBmYW1pbGlhciB3aXRoCktvaGEgYW5kIGRpc2NvdmVyIGFueSBvdGhl ciBpc3N1ZXMgeW91IG1heSBuZWVkIGZpeGVkLiAgQnkgdGhlIHRpbWUgMi4wLjEKY29tZXMgb3V0 IHlvdSdsbCBiZSByZWFkeSB0byBjb25zaWRlciBhIGJldGEgc2NoZWR1bGUgYW5kIHByb2plY3Rl ZApwcm9kdWN0aW9uIGRhdGUuICBQbHVzIGFjdGl2ZWx5IHRlc3RpbmcgMi4wIHVudGlsIHRoZSBu ZXh0IG1pbm9yIHJlbGVhc2UKY29tZXMgd2lsbCBhbG1vc3QgY2VydGFpbmx5IGhlbHAgMi4wLjEg YXJyaXZlIHNvb25lci4gIFdoYXQgc2FkbmVzcz8KICA8L3ByZT4KPC9ibG9ja3F1b3RlPgoqKiAx ICoqPGJyPgoxMDAlIGFncmVlIHdpdGggY2hyaXN0b3BoZXIuPGJyPgpOb3RlIGFsc28gdGhhdCB3 ZSBzcGVhayBvZiAyLjAuMSwgbm90IG9mIDIuMiAhPGJyPgo8YnI+CkkgcmVtaW5kIDo8YnI+CjIu MC54ID0mZ3Q7IGltcHJvdm1lbnRzPGJyPgoyLjIgPSZndDsgbmV3IGZlYXR1cmVzPGJyPgpMQyBu b3QgYmVpbmcgYSBuZXcgZmVhdHVyZSBpbWhvLjxicj4KPGJyPgoqKiAyICoqPGJyPgpXaGF0J3Mg bm90IG5pY2Ugd2l0aCBMaWJyZSBzb2Z0d2FyZSBpcyB0aGF0IHlvdSBtYXkgc29tZXRpbWVzIGhh dmUgdG8Kd2FpdCBmb3IgYSBmZWF0dXJlLjxicj4KV2hhdCdzIG5pY2Ugd2l0aCBMaWJyZSBzb2Z0 d2FyZSBpcyB0aGF0IGlmIHlvdSBkb24ndCB3YW50IHRvIHdhaXQgeW91CmNhbiBkbyBpdCB5b3Vy c2VsZiBvciBmdW5kIGl0IChpZiB5b3Ugd2FudCB0byBmdW5kIHRoaXMgZmVhdHVyZSwgZmVlbApm cmVlIHRvIGFzay4gSSdtIHN1cmUgSSB3b24ndCBiZSB0aGUgb25seSB2b2x1bnRlZXIuLi4pPGJy Pgo8YnI+ClBTIDogc29tZSBwcGwgaW4gRnJhbmNlIHNheXMgdGhhdCAiTGlicmUgc29mdHdhcmUi IGlzIG9mdGVuIHVzZWQgaW4KZW5nbGlzaCBjb3VudHJpZXMgdG8gYXZvaWQgdGhlICJmcmVlIiBt aXN0YWtlIChsaWtlIGZyZWUgc3BlYWNoLCBub3QKZnJlZSBiZWVyKS4gSXMgaXQgdHJ1ZSA/PGJy Pgo8cHJlIGNsYXNzPSJtb3otc2lnbmF0dXJlIiBjb2xzPSI3MiI+LS0gClBhdWwgUE9VTEFJTgpD b25zdWx0YW50IGluZCZlYWN1dGU7cGVuZGFudCBlbiBsb2dpY2llbHMgbGlicmVzCnJlc3BvbnNh YmxlIGZyYW5jb3Bob25lIGRlIGtvaGEgKFNJR0IgbGlicmUgPGEgY2xhc3M9Im1vei10eHQtbGlu ay1mcmVldGV4dCIgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy5rb2hhLWZyLm9yZyI+aHR0cDovL3d3dy5rb2hh LWZyLm9yZzwvYT4pCjwvcHJlPgo8L2JvZHk+CjwvaHRtbD4K --===============1528475636381482506==-- From markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 19 02:17:05 2003 From: MJ Ray To: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Re: [Koha] 3rd pre 2.0 meeting Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:20:17 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EF16E62.8010308@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6884826942728975056==" --===============6884826942728975056== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit paul POULAIN wrote: > PS : some ppl in France says that "Libre software" is often used in > english countries to avoid the "free" mistake (like free speach, not > free beer). Is it true ? English countries? You mean England or all Anglophone ones? Certainly, in England (and the UK and I think the Irish Republic too), we say "free software". I have seen EU studies that call it "Free/Libre," though. The US is home to the Free Software Foundation, so I suspect they call it free software too. Africa has the Free Software and Open Source Foundation for Africa, so I suspect they call it free software... I'm not there, though, so I can't say for sure. Don't believe everything people say: after all, some French people have tried to tell me that "logiciel libre" is a translation of "open source" which is rather naughty of them. -- MJR/slef, also treasurer of http://www.affs.org.uk/ --===============6884826942728975056==-- From paul.poulain@free.fr Thu Jun 19 02:33:16 2003 From: paul POULAIN To: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Re: [Koha] 3rd pre 2.0 meeting Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 02:34:37 +0000 Message-ID: <3EF1842D.8070201@free.fr> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7599119149213318325==" --===============7599119149213318325== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MJ Ray wrote: >paul POULAIN wrote: > > >>PS : some ppl in France says that "Libre software" is often used in >>english countries to avoid the "free" mistake (like free speach, not >>free beer). Is it true ? >> >> >English countries? You mean England or all Anglophone ones? > I meaned anglophones. >Certainly, >in England (and the UK and I think the Irish Republic too), we say "free >software". I have seen EU studies that call it "Free/Libre," though. > >The US is home to the Free Software Foundation, so I suspect they call it >free software too. Africa has the Free Software and Open Source Foundation >for Africa, so I suspect they call it free software... I'm not there, >though, so I can't say for sure. > >Don't believe everything people say: after all, some French people have >tried to tell me that "logiciel libre" is a translation of "open source" >which is rather naughty of them. > > I don't believe everything. And that's why I ask anglophone readers from this list :-) However, that's true that in French "libre" (free speech) does not mean "gratuit" (= free beer). for open source <=> logiciel libre => whoh ! it's really stupid, I agree. -- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org) --===============7599119149213318325== Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="attachment.html" MIME-Version: 1.0 PCFET0NUWVBFIGh0bWwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMDEgVHJhbnNpdGlvbmFs Ly9FTiI+CjxodG1sPgo8aGVhZD4KICA8bWV0YSBodHRwLWVxdWl2PSJDb250ZW50LVR5cGUiIGNv bnRlbnQ9InRleHQvaHRtbDtjaGFyc2V0PUlTTy04ODU5LTEiPgogIDx0aXRsZT48L3RpdGxlPgo8 L2hlYWQ+Cjxib2R5PgpNSiBSYXkgd3JvdGU6PGJyPgo8YmxvY2txdW90ZSB0eXBlPSJjaXRlIgog Y2l0ZT0ibWlkc2xybmJmMnZ1ZS4zaXYubWFya2orMDExMUBib3VuY2luZy5sb2NhbG5ldCI+CiAg PHByZSB3cmFwPSIiPnBhdWwgUE9VTEFJTiA8YSBjbGFzcz0ibW96LXR4dC1saW5rLXJmYzIzOTZF IiBocmVmPSJtYWlsdG86cGF1bC5wb3VsYWluQGZyZWUuZnIiPiZsdDtwYXVsLnBvdWxhaW5AZnJl ZS5mciZndDs8L2E+IHdyb3RlOgogIDwvcHJlPgogIDxibG9ja3F1b3RlIHR5cGU9ImNpdGUiPgog ICAgPHByZSB3cmFwPSIiPlBTIDogc29tZSBwcGwgaW4gRnJhbmNlIHNheXMgdGhhdCAiTGlicmUg c29mdHdhcmUiIGlzIG9mdGVuIHVzZWQgaW4gCmVuZ2xpc2ggY291bnRyaWVzIHRvIGF2b2lkIHRo ZSAiZnJlZSIgbWlzdGFrZSAobGlrZSBmcmVlIHNwZWFjaCwgbm90IApmcmVlIGJlZXIpLiBJcyBp dCB0cnVlID8KICAgIDwvcHJlPgogIDwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT4KICA8cHJlIHdyYXA9IiI+PCEtLS0t PkVuZ2xpc2ggY291bnRyaWVzPyAgWW91IG1lYW4gRW5nbGFuZCBvciBhbGwgQW5nbG9waG9uZSBv bmVzPzwvcHJlPgo8L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+CkkgbWVhbmVkIGFuZ2xvcGhvbmVzLjxicj4KPGJsb2Nr cXVvdGUgdHlwZT0iY2l0ZSIKIGNpdGU9Im1pZHNscm5iZjJ2dWUuM2l2Lm1hcmtqKzAxMTFAYm91 bmNpbmcubG9jYWxuZXQiPgogIDxwcmUgd3JhcD0iIj5DZXJ0YWlubHksCmluIEVuZ2xhbmQgKGFu ZCB0aGUgVUsgYW5kIEkgdGhpbmsgdGhlIElyaXNoIFJlcHVibGljIHRvbyksIHdlIHNheSAiZnJl ZQpzb2Z0d2FyZSIuICBJIGhhdmUgc2VlbiBFVSBzdHVkaWVzIHRoYXQgY2FsbCBpdCAiRnJlZS9M aWJyZSwiIHRob3VnaC4KClRoZSBVUyBpcyBob21lIHRvIHRoZSBGcmVlIFNvZnR3YXJlIEZvdW5k YXRpb24sIHNvIEkgc3VzcGVjdCB0aGV5IGNhbGwgaXQKZnJlZSBzb2Z0d2FyZSB0b28uICBBZnJp Y2EgaGFzIHRoZSBGcmVlIFNvZnR3YXJlIGFuZCBPcGVuIFNvdXJjZSBGb3VuZGF0aW9uCmZvciBB ZnJpY2EsIHNvIEkgc3VzcGVjdCB0aGV5IGNhbGwgaXQgZnJlZSBzb2Z0d2FyZS4uLiAgSSdtIG5v dCB0aGVyZSwKdGhvdWdoLCBzbyBJIGNhbid0IHNheSBmb3Igc3VyZS4KCkRvbid0IGJlbGlldmUg ZXZlcnl0aGluZyBwZW9wbGUgc2F5OiBhZnRlciBhbGwsIHNvbWUgRnJlbmNoIHBlb3BsZSBoYXZl CnRyaWVkIHRvIHRlbGwgbWUgdGhhdCAibG9naWNpZWwgbGlicmUiIGlzIGEgdHJhbnNsYXRpb24g b2YgIm9wZW4gc291cmNlIgp3aGljaCBpcyByYXRoZXIgbmF1Z2h0eSBvZiB0aGVtLgogIDwvcHJl Pgo8L2Jsb2NrcXVvdGU+CkkgZG9uJ3QgYmVsaWV2ZSBldmVyeXRoaW5nLiBBbmQgdGhhdCdzIHdo eSBJIGFzayBhbmdsb3Bob25lIHJlYWRlcnMKZnJvbSB0aGlzIGxpc3QgOi0pPGJyPgpIb3dldmVy LCB0aGF0J3MgdHJ1ZSB0aGF0IGluIEZyZW5jaCAibGlicmUiIChmcmVlIHNwZWVjaCkgZG9lcyBu b3QgbWVhbgoiZ3JhdHVpdCIgKD0gZnJlZSBiZWVyKS48YnI+Cjxicj4KZm9yIG9wZW4gc291cmNl ICZsdDs9Jmd0OyBsb2dpY2llbCBsaWJyZSA9Jmd0OyB3aG9oICEgaXQncyByZWFsbHkKc3R1cGlk LCBJIGFncmVlLjxicj4KPHByZSBjbGFzcz0ibW96LXNpZ25hdHVyZSIgY29scz0iNzIiPi0tIApQ YXVsIFBPVUxBSU4KQ29uc3VsdGFudCBpbmQmZWFjdXRlO3BlbmRhbnQgZW4gbG9naWNpZWxzIGxp YnJlcwpyZXNwb25zYWJsZSBmcmFuY29waG9uZSBkZSBrb2hhIChTSUdCIGxpYnJlIDxhIGNsYXNz PSJtb3otdHh0LWxpbmstZnJlZXRleHQiIGhyZWY9Imh0dHA6Ly93d3cua29oYS1mci5vcmciPmh0 dHA6Ly93d3cua29oYS1mci5vcmc8L2E+KQo8L3ByZT4KPC9ib2R5Pgo8L2h0bWw+Cg== --===============7599119149213318325==-- From chicks@chicks.net Thu Jun 19 07:35:09 2003 From: Christopher Hicks To: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Subject: [Koha-devel] Re: [Koha-devel]+[Koha] The Rather Anxious Feature Requestor and various OT stuff Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:26:05 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3EF16E62.8010308@free.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7586051155495328313==" --===============7586051155495328313== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, paul POULAIN wrote: > 100% agree with christopher. Thanks (And me too! :) > What's not nice with Libre software is that you may sometimes have to > wait for a feature. This "not nice" really isn't any worse than commercial software. Plus, the worst case wait for commercial software is more often reached than with "libre" software -- there have been many more times when I've been told by a commercial software vendor that there's no chance in heck of my feature being added or my bug being fixed before the heat death of the universe. This was SCO's standard answer to my questions at one time despite the fact that the company I was consulting for was selling hundreds of copies of their software annually and had upgraded legions of folks from Xenix to UNIX. "You don't need reliable signals...just reboot the box occasionally." Ugh. My client switched all of those servers to Linux completely five years ago. For some reason they didn't need to spend $50k on a support contract with SCO anymore. Bru-hahaha. I only wish I had a few other clients I could convert right now in protest. Oh well. So, waiting for things here is going to be far less painful than if you needed to wait on commercial library automation vendors. To the original feature requestor: Maybe you should go to your board of directors and seek guidance - wait 6 months (don't quote me on that figure) or spend $25k (or that one) for a commercial package that's available for immediate gratification. If they want to spend the money for immediate gratification then maybe that's the best solution for you. In a year or so when Koha is further along you can import your data via MARC and migrate your users to avoid being stuck with maintenance fees forever. Consider my favorite sig line, bar none: "Free software isn't free, but expensive software is expensive." :) > What's nice with Libre software is that if you don't want to wait you > can do it yourself or fund it (if you want to fund this feature, feel > free to ask. I'm sure I won't be the only volunteer...) No kidding. I've seen a number of folks ask kindly enough times for somebody with perl credentials to take care of things for them without any funding whatsoever. I've also had clients that were so desperate for a feature they were willing to pay me to add it. It works many different ways because these opportunities aren't artificially impossible because of bogus licensing. > PS : some ppl in France says that "Libre software" is often used in > english countries to avoid the "free" mistake (like free speach, not > free beer). Is it true ? "Often" would be an overstatement. I can't speak for Australia or the UK, but for North America it's definitely not used often. Some do use it, but I doubt anyone outside of the dedicated core of open source hackers would realize what you meant without explanation. None of my clients or their technical staff would have any idea what you meant. So it doesn't seem to me that within a broad context you would be gaining any clarity by using the term on random American geeks. Still, I'm fond of the usage since I'm a die-hard francophile. (I live 10 minutes from where the French blockaded the British at Yorktown and I've done consulting in France.) The term "open source" was coined to avoid some of this confusion and I'd say the open source usage is dominating in the US. -- Programming is a Dark Art, and it will always be. The programmer is fighting against the two most destructive forces in the universe: entropy and human stupidity. They're not things you can always overcome with a "methodology" or on a schedule. -Damian Conway, Perl God --===============7586051155495328313==--