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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Gitlab policy changes (Tomas Cohen Arazi)
2. Re: Gitlab policy changes (Doug Kingston)
3. Re: Gitlab policy changes (dcook@prosentient.com.au)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 21:06:10 -0300
From: Tomas Cohen Arazi <tomascohen@gmail.com>
To: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes
Message-ID:
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Most limitations are about workers quotas. We can still rely on their
services and run our own workers? It feels we should try enrolling as an
open source organization, it at least see where the process takes us.

Worth hearing all opinions!

El mié, 25 may 2022 20:55, <dcook@prosentient.com.au> escribió:

> Where did you see that quote, Jonathan?
>
> Here’s the relevant two lines I’m seeing:
> 1. “Not seeking profit: Your organization must not seek to make a profit
> through services or by charging for higher tiers. Accepting donations to
> sustain your efforts is ok. Read more about this requirement here.”
> 2. “Not seek profit: An organization can accept donations to sustain its
> work, but it can’t seek to make a profit by selling services, by charging
> for enhancements or add-ons, or by other means."
>
> In theory, the organisation should be the Koha Community so it might be
> OK, since it doesn't sell services. That's in contrast to Duraspace/Lyrasis
> which is the non-profit company that develops DSpace and hosts a lot of its
> infrastructure; they sell DSpace services. I suppose though only Gitlab can
> ultimately make that call though?
>
> --
>
> That said, overall, I don't know that we need to apply to the Gitlab for
> Open Source Program though? It might have some benefits but it might be
> relying too much on a third-party that can change its services on a whim?
>
> David Cook
> Senior Software Engineer
> Prosentient Systems
> Suite 7.03
> 6a Glen St
> Milsons Point NSW 2061
> Australia
>
> Office: 02 9212 0899
> Online: 02 8005 0595
>
> From: Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Druart
> Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2022 8:33 AM
> To: Tomas Cohen Arazi <tomascohen@gmail.com>
> Cc: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes
>
> I had a look at it a couple of months ago but at some point you have to
> "certify that project maintainer are not seeking profit from this project
> by, for example, selling services"...
> Le mer. 25 mai 2022 à 17:51, Tomas Cohen Arazi <mailto:
> tomascohen@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Hi, we need to take a look at the upcoming changes and make a decision on
> enrolling as an Open Source project:
>
>
> https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2022/02/04/ultimate-perks-for-open-source-projects/
>
> Please read carefully so we can make a decision eventually.
>
> --
> Tomás Cohen Arazi
> Theke Solutions (http://theke.io/)
> ✆ +54 9351 3513384
> GPG: B2F3C15F
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 17:25:30 -0700
From: Doug Kingston <dpk@randomnotes.org>
To: Tomas Cohen Arazi <tomascohen@gmail.com>
Cc: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes
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I believe that The Horowhenua Library Trust as the non-profit behind
koha-community.org and trustees of the koha codebase would qualify to
enroll as an open-source organization.

-Doug-

On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 5:06 PM Tomas Cohen Arazi <tomascohen@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Most limitations are about workers quotas. We can still rely on their
> services and run our own workers? It feels we should try enrolling as an
> open source organization, it at least see where the process takes us.
>
> Worth hearing all opinions!
>
> El mié, 25 may 2022 20:55, <dcook@prosentient.com.au> escribió:
>
>> Where did you see that quote, Jonathan?
>>
>> Here’s the relevant two lines I’m seeing:
>> 1. “Not seeking profit: Your organization must not seek to make a profit
>> through services or by charging for higher tiers. Accepting donations to
>> sustain your efforts is ok. Read more about this requirement here.”
>> 2. “Not seek profit: An organization can accept donations to sustain its
>> work, but it can’t seek to make a profit by selling services, by charging
>> for enhancements or add-ons, or by other means."
>>
>> In theory, the organisation should be the Koha Community so it might be
>> OK, since it doesn't sell services. That's in contrast to Duraspace/Lyrasis
>> which is the non-profit company that develops DSpace and hosts a lot of its
>> infrastructure; they sell DSpace services. I suppose though only Gitlab can
>> ultimately make that call though?
>>
>> --
>>
>> That said, overall, I don't know that we need to apply to the Gitlab for
>> Open Source Program though? It might have some benefits but it might be
>> relying too much on a third-party that can change its services on a whim?
>>
>> David Cook
>> Senior Software Engineer
>> Prosentient Systems
>> Suite 7.03
>> 6a Glen St
>> Milsons Point NSW 2061
>> Australia
>>
>> Office: 02 9212 0899
>> Online: 02 8005 0595
>>
>> From: Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> On Behalf
>> Of Jonathan Druart
>> Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2022 8:33 AM
>> To: Tomas Cohen Arazi <tomascohen@gmail.com>
>> Cc: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes
>>
>> I had a look at it a couple of months ago but at some point you have to
>> "certify that project maintainer are not seeking profit from this project
>> by, for example, selling services"...
>> Le mer. 25 mai 2022 à 17:51, Tomas Cohen Arazi <mailto:
>> tomascohen@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> Hi, we need to take a look at the upcoming changes and make a decision on
>> enrolling as an Open Source project:
>>
>>
>> https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2022/02/04/ultimate-perks-for-open-source-projects/
>>
>> Please read carefully so we can make a decision eventually.
>>
>> --
>> Tomás Cohen Arazi
>> Theke Solutions (http://theke.io/)
>> ✆ +54 9351 3513384
>> GPG: B2F3C15F
>> _______________________________________________
>> Koha-devel mailing list
>> mailto:Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org
>> https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
>> website : https://www.koha-community.org/
>> git : https://git.koha-community.org/
>> bugs : https://bugs.koha-community.org/
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 10:27:17 +1000
From: <dcook@prosentient.com.au>
To: "'Tomas Cohen Arazi'" <tomascohen@gmail.com>, "'koha-devel'"
    <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes
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Sounds like a plan. No opposition from me.



David Cook

Senior Software Engineer

Prosentient Systems

Suite 7.03

6a Glen St

Milsons Point NSW 2061

Australia



Office: 02 9212 0899

Online: 02 8005 0595



From: Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> On Behalf Of Tomas Cohen Arazi
Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2022 10:06 AM
To: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes



Most limitations are about workers quotas. We can still rely on their services and run our own workers? It feels we should try enrolling as an open source organization, it at least see where the process takes us.



Worth hearing all opinions!



El mié, 25 may 2022 20:55, <dcook@prosentient.com.au <mailto:dcook@prosentient.com.au> > escribió:

Where did you see that quote, Jonathan?

Here’s the relevant two lines I’m seeing:
1. “Not seeking profit: Your organization must not seek to make a profit through services or by charging for higher tiers. Accepting donations to sustain your efforts is ok. Read more about this requirement here.”
2. “Not seek profit: An organization can accept donations to sustain its work, but it can’t seek to make a profit by selling services, by charging for enhancements or add-ons, or by other means."

In theory, the organisation should be the Koha Community so it might be OK, since it doesn't sell services. That's in contrast to Duraspace/Lyrasis which is the non-profit company that develops DSpace and hosts a lot of its infrastructure; they sell DSpace services. I suppose though only Gitlab can ultimately make that call though?

--

That said, overall, I don't know that we need to apply to the Gitlab for Open Source Program though? It might have some benefits but it might be relying too much on a third-party that can change its services on a whim?

David Cook
Senior Software Engineer
Prosentient Systems
Suite 7.03
6a Glen St
Milsons Point NSW 2061
Australia

Office: 02 9212 0899
Online: 02 8005 0595

From: Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org <mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> > On Behalf Of Jonathan Druart
Sent: Thursday, 26 May 2022 8:33 AM
To: Tomas Cohen Arazi <tomascohen@gmail.com <mailto:tomascohen@gmail.com> >
Cc: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org <mailto:koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> >
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes

I had a look at it a couple of months ago but at some point you have to "certify that project maintainer are not seeking profit from this project by, for example, selling services"...
Le mer. 25 mai 2022 à 17:51, Tomas Cohen Arazi <mailto:tomascohen@gmail.com <mailto:tomascohen@gmail.com> > a écrit :
Hi, we need to take a look at the upcoming changes and make a decision on enrolling as an Open Source project:

https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2022/02/04/ultimate-perks-for-open-source-projects/

Please read carefully so we can make a decision eventually.

--
Tomás Cohen Arazi
Theke Solutions (http://theke.io/)
✆ +54 9351 3513384
GPG: B2F3C15F
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