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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Gitlab policy changes (Victor Grousset/tuxayo)
2. Re: Gitlab policy changes (dcook@prosentient.com.au)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 18:24:00 +0200
From: Victor Grousset/tuxayo <victor@tuxayo.net>
To: Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org>
Cc: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes
Message-ID: <7df28989-43be-44c8-2177-7d6f062261f9@tuxayo.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

On 22-06-28 10:23, Jonathan Druart wrote:
> Sorry for the late reply, I didn't really know what to say. As I was
> involved earlier in the discussion I feel that by not replying, I am
> agreeing with your message, Victor.

No worries, I think no one in the discussion was to be assumed to agree
with the idea that it would be a scam attempt to apply as is for the
non-profit program. Because for that someone must agree that we do not
fit at all with the non profit criteria for maintainers. That's the main
point of the message and necessary condition before starting to talk
about the scam thing.
And it seems everyone leans towards that we fit. So if anything to
assume, is that everyone was leaning towards agreeing to apply in good
faith without being a attempt to trick GitLab, thinking that we fit
enough in the criteria.

> However I do not agree at all.
> I do not recognize myself in your words

That's fine, it's my own view that we don't fit and the arguments to
apply anyway with less moral remorse are only mine.

> and I do not think "scamming gitlab" is a point of the discussion.
> The matter is to know if we are eligible for a program they support,
> and find the best way to apply in agreement with their terms and our
> project's view.

Alright, looks good that way, I had to think hard to find moral
justifications to apply as is without complying to their terms.
(Assuming we would lean toward that we don't fit at all with their terms.)
My feelings when reading the discussion were that bringing up Koha
Community as an organization or Horowhenua Library Trust was very
dubious and that we should be upfront that it would be a dubious
application to their program. Thus the scam thing.

> We are relying quite a lot on gitlab, and I personally think the open
> source product they provide is great. I thank their team for that.
>
> With this answer, I only wanted to take distance with your words.

What about the main point of the message? My most important words are
that we don't fit at all with their terms. (details in previous message)
Sorry that I went too far developing the scam thing that it took all the
attention.

Cheers,

--
Victor Grousset/tuxayo


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:00:51 +1000
From: <dcook@prosentient.com.au>
To: "'Victor Grousset/tuxayo'" <victor@tuxayo.net>, "'Jonathan
    Druart'" <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org>
Cc: "'koha-devel'" <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes
Message-ID: <073301d88b5c$1817ba90$48472fb0$@prosentient.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"

Thanks for your message, Jonathan. I didn't know what to say either, so I've procrastinated my reply.

Victor, I'm not going to try to respond line by line to your message, but I will say that everyone (myself included) has just been genuinely trying to interpret Gitlab's policy and how it applies to Koha; no one is trying to mislead anyone. The Koha community is the most good natured group of people that I've ever known in my entire life.

I have some personal contacts at Gitlab, so I may end up asking if they can provide some clarification. I thought that I'd let the Koha community decide what it wanted to do, and first try official Gitlab communication channels, so that I did not bother my Gitlab friends unnecessarily.

Anyway, I think that Tomas is going to try reaching out to Gitlab for more information, so we'll see what they say. Ultimately, we can speculate one way or another all we want, but it's up to Gitlab to say whether or not we fit, and I think that you can rest assured that we'll be open and honest with whatever information that they want to support their decision-making.

David Cook
Senior Software Engineer
Prosentient Systems
Suite 7.03
6a Glen St
Milsons Point NSW 2061
Australia

Office: 02 9212 0899
Online: 02 8005 0595

-----Original Message-----
From: Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> On Behalf Of Victor Grousset/tuxayo
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2022 2:24 AM
To: Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-community.org>
Cc: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org>
Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Gitlab policy changes

On 22-06-28 10:23, Jonathan Druart wrote:
> Sorry for the late reply, I didn't really know what to say. As I was
> involved earlier in the discussion I feel that by not replying, I am
> agreeing with your message, Victor.

No worries, I think no one in the discussion was to be assumed to agree with the idea that it would be a scam attempt to apply as is for the non-profit program. Because for that someone must agree that we do not fit at all with the non profit criteria for maintainers. That's the main point of the message and necessary condition before starting to talk about the scam thing.
And it seems everyone leans towards that we fit. So if anything to assume, is that everyone was leaning towards agreeing to apply in good faith without being a attempt to trick GitLab, thinking that we fit enough in the criteria.

> However I do not agree at all.
> I do not recognize myself in your words

That's fine, it's my own view that we don't fit and the arguments to apply anyway with less moral remorse are only mine.

> and I do not think "scamming gitlab" is a point of the discussion.
> The matter is to know if we are eligible for a program they support,
> and find the best way to apply in agreement with their terms and our
> project's view.

Alright, looks good that way, I had to think hard to find moral justifications to apply as is without complying to their terms.
(Assuming we would lean toward that we don't fit at all with their terms.) My feelings when reading the discussion were that bringing up Koha Community as an organization or Horowhenua Library Trust was very dubious and that we should be upfront that it would be a dubious application to their program. Thus the scam thing.

> We are relying quite a lot on gitlab, and I personally think the open
> source product they provide is great. I thank their team for that.
>
> With this answer, I only wanted to take distance with your words.

What about the main point of the message? My most important words are that we don't fit at all with their terms. (details in previous message) Sorry that I went too far developing the scam thing that it took all the attention.

Cheers,

--
Victor Grousset/tuxayo
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