I get the digest, so i am only able to respond now. I want to report one failure, and an eventual success (using a different route...) The failure: i was unable to deploy Koha to my regular account with a shared hosting service (specifically, hostmonster.com). i don't remember any problems with the make process, however, i had issues with getting the hosting to work...i don't even think i was using virtual hosts, i wanted to first get at least the INTRANET running, but the only thing i could use was changes to .htaccess files, since i don't get access to Apache's config directly. Koha had problems finding the Perl modules, specifically it did not pick up environment variables pointing to their location i was not very smart at that point with different approaches, so after trying for a while, i chose another route... Success: Since i was determined to host on the Internet, i basically decided to get my "own server", essentially a slice (at slicehost.com). They use virtualization and give you a choice of OS, ample bandwidth, and for all practical purposes, its like your own box, where you are root and can do whatever you like.
From then on, it was like a regular Koha install and a few hours later, it was up and running...
i've never gone back and analyzed what went wrong with the shared hosting, but i basically faced one problem after another, so that eventually, i just gave up. But, i think, in theory, it should be possible to do with some changes to the install process. Regards, krishnan --- On Fri, 16/1/09, koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org <koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org> wrote: From: koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org <koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org> Subject: Koha-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 11 To: koha-devel@lists.koha.org Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:00 AM Send Koha-devel mailing list submissions to koha-devel@lists.koha.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org You can reach the person managing the list at koha-devel-owner@lists.koha.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Koha-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: virtual hosting of Koha (Michel Virard) 2. how to handle the link back to amazon? (Nicolas Morin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:35:38 -0500 From: Michel Virard <mvirard@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] virtual hosting of Koha To: "Han, Yan" <hany@u.library.arizona.edu>, Koha-devel@listes.koha-fr.org Message-ID: <op.untv5os276brov@zorglub> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Yan, Any luck so far? I, too, am planning to move my Koha to the commercial hosting service where our web site is already located and I am interested in what to expect with such a move. Michel Le Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:07:34 -0500, Han, Yan <hany@u.library.arizona.edu> a ?crit:
Hello, All,
I have been running Koha on a local server, but am testing to virtual host Koha on a commercial server (for example. Bluehost.com). In local server implementation, you need to "make install" to install Koha.
In a commercial server, "make install" is not allowed. So does anyone have any luck to run koha in a commercial host? If so, please let me know the configuration changes, and the company's name.
It seems that <virtualhost> configuration is not allowed in this commercial server. If Apache env is not allowed to change in this case, how can we setEnv for "perl5lib" and "Koha_conf"?
# KOHA's OPAC Configuration
<VirtualHost 150.135.239.44:80>
ServerAdmin
DocumentRoot /data1/koha/opac/htdocs
ServerName kobol
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/koha/ "/data1/koha/opac/cgi-bin/"
Redirect permanent index.html http://150.135.239.44:80/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
ErrorLog /data1/koha/log/opac-error_log
TransferLog /data1/koha/log/opac-access_log
SetEnv PERL5LIB "/data1/koha/intranet/modules"
SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/koha.conf"
</VirtualHost>
Thanks,
Yan
-- Michel Virard ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:59:13 +0100 From: "Nicolas Morin" <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> Subject: [Koha-devel] how to handle the link back to amazon? To: "koha-devel@lists.koha.org" <koha-devel@lists.koha.org> Message-ID: <a370accf0901160259i4e3dbe75k94e1f4455c358776@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi there, I want to gather opinions about a possible small change in the way the Amazon covers are handled in the opac on the detailed view of a record. Currently we show the Amazon cover and link back to the product's page on Amazon's web site from the cover itself. Some librarians I talk to are uncomfortable with the idea that their public library will show a link to a (monopolistic (online-only (us-owned (insert-yr-own-fears-here)))) bookseller in such a prominent way : using the whole cover image as a link. At least some of them would be assuaged, I think, by a more discreet link between their opac and Amazon : removing the link from the image itself and providing it through a tiny text just below the image, saying "source : Amazon", might be a solution. See example at http://www.libfly.com/je-suis-une-legende-livre-25918.html What do you think? Nicolas -- Nicolas Morin Mobile: +33(0)633 19 11 36 http://www.biblibre.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha.org http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel End of Koha-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 11 ****************************************** Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
I am testing the migration through a commercial vendor. This takes a little longer than I thought, but I believe that I should be able to do so soon. (in 1-2 months? I hope). I will keep you posted if I have success. Yan Han From: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha.org] On Behalf Of Krishnan M Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:27 AM To: koha-devel@lists.koha.org Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] virtual hosting of Koha I get the digest, so i am only able to respond now. I want to report one failure, and an eventual success (using a different route...) The failure: i was unable to deploy Koha to my regular account with a shared hosting service (specifically, hostmonster.com). i don't remember any problems with the make process, however, i had issues with getting the hosting to work...i don't even think i was using virtual hosts, i wanted to first get at least the INTRANET running, but the only thing i could use was changes to .htaccess files, since i don't get access to Apache's config directly. Koha had problems finding the Perl modules, specifically it did not pick up environment variables pointing to their location i was not very smart at that point with different approaches, so after trying for a while, i chose another route... Success: Since i was determined to host on the Internet, i basically decided to get my "own server", essentially a slice (at slicehost.com). They use virtualization and give you a choice of OS, ample bandwidth, and for all practical purposes, its like your own box, where you are root and can do whatever you like. From then on, it was like a regular Koha install and a few hours later, it was up and running... i've never gone back and analyzed what went wrong with the shared hosting, but i basically faced one problem after another, so that eventually, i just gave up. But, i think, in theory, it should be possible to do with some changes to the install process. Regards, krishnan --- On Fri, 16/1/09, koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org <koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org> wrote: From: koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org <koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org> Subject: Koha-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 11 To: koha-devel@lists.koha.org Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:00 AM Send Koha-devel mailing list submissions to koha-devel@lists.koha.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to koha-devel-request@lists.koha.org You can reach the person managing the list at koha-devel-owner@lists.koha.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Koha-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: virtual hosting of Koha (Michel Virard) 2. how to handle the link back to amazon? (Nicolas Morin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:35:38 -0500 From: Michel Virard <mvirard@videotron.ca> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] virtual hosting of Koha To: "Han, Yan" <hany@u.library.arizona.edu>, Koha-devel@listes.koha-fr.org Message-ID: <op.untv5os276brov@zorglub> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Yan, Any luck so far? I, too, am planning to move my Koha to the commercial hosting service where our web site is already located and I am interested in what to expect with such a move. Michel Le Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:07:34 -0500, Han, Yan <hany@u.library.arizona.edu> a ?crit:
Hello, All,
I have been running Koha on a local server, but am testing to virtual
host Koha on a commercial server (for example. Bluehost.com). In local
server implementation, you need to "make install" to install
Koha.
In a commercial server, "make install" is not allowed. So does
anyone
have any luck to run koha in a commercial host? If so, please let me
know the configuration changes, and the company's name.
It seems that <virtualhost> configuration is not allowed in this
commercial server. If Apache env is not allowed to change in this case,
how can we setEnv for "perl5lib" and "Koha_conf"?
# KOHA's OPAC Configuration
<VirtualHost 150.135.239.44:80>
ServerAdmin
DocumentRoot /data1/koha/opac/htdocs
ServerName kobol
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/koha/ "/data1/koha/opac/cgi-bin/"
Redirect permanent index.html
ErrorLog /data1/koha/log/opac-error_log
TransferLog /data1/koha/log/opac-access_log
SetEnv PERL5LIB "/data1/koha/intranet/modules"
SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/koha.conf"
</VirtualHost>
Thanks,
Yan
-- Michel Virard ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:59:13 +0100 From: "Nicolas Morin" <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> Subject: [Koha-devel] how to handle the link back to amazon? To: "koha-devel@lists.koha.org" <koha-devel@lists.koha.org> Message-ID: <a370accf0901160259i4e3dbe75k94e1f4455c358776@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi there, I want to gather opinions about a possible small change in the way the Amazon covers are handled in the opac on the detailed view of a record. Currently we show the Amazon cover and link back to the product's page on Amazon's web site from the cover itself. Some librarians I talk to are uncomfortable with the idea that their public library will show a link to a (monopolistic (online-only (us-owned (insert-yr-own-fears-here)))) bookseller in such a prominent way : using the whole cover image as a link. At least some of them would be assuaged, I think, by a more discreet link between their opac and Amazon : removing the link from the image itself and providing it through a tiny text just below the image, saying "source : Amazon", might be a solution. See example at http://www.libfly.com/je-suis-une-legende-livre-25918.html What do you think? Nicolas -- Nicolas Morin Mobile: +33(0)633 19 11 36 http://www.biblibre.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha.org http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel End of Koha-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 11 ****************************************** ________________________________ Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. <http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http:/messenger.yahoo.com/invite/>
Mr. Yan Han, I am trying to help out my kids K-8 school by setting up Koha on a Shared Host (namely 1&1). Thus far I have been unsuccessful. Can you please tell me if you ever had any success with your trials? Thank you, ?______________________________________________ Christopher J. Ameel ICIT Commission Immaculate Conception School icit@iccatholic.org m: (586) 216-6857 Skype: cjameel
Unless a common webhost can demonstrate that they already have success installing and serving Koha, I would not believe them when they say they can do it. It's a lot more than just CGI scripts. You are better getting a full server VM and doing installation yourself. --Joe 2009/11/23 Christopher Ameel <cameel@andersoncook.com>
Mr. Yan Han,
I am trying to help out my kids K-8 school by setting up Koha on a Shared Host (namely 1&1). Thus far I have been unsuccessful. Can you please tell me if you ever had any success with your trials?
Thank you,
Christopher J. Ameel ICIT Commission Immaculate Conception School
Hello, Christopher, Koha setup requires access to env valuables and install certain perl modules. We used Linode (linode.com) and it has been running for almost a year. I think that I tested other hosting companies (bluehost, godaddy). At that time, they did not offer me the required privilege. There is no need to run your own server. You will save $$$ Yan From: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha.org] On Behalf Of Joe Atzberger Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:20 AM To: Christopher Ameel Cc: koha-devel@lists.koha.org Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] virtual hosting of Koha Unless a common webhost can demonstrate that they already have success installing and serving Koha, I would not believe them when they say they can do it. It's a lot more than just CGI scripts. You are better getting a full server VM and doing installation yourself. --Joe 2009/11/23 Christopher Ameel <cameel@andersoncook.com<mailto:cameel@andersoncook.com>> Mr. Yan Han, I am trying to help out my kids K-8 school by setting up Koha on a Shared Host (namely 1&1). Thus far I have been unsuccessful. Can you please tell me if you ever had any success with your trials? Thank you, Christopher J. Ameel ICIT Commission Immaculate Conception School
"Han, Yan" <hany@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
Koha setup requires access to env valuables and install certain perl modules. We used Linode (linode.com) and it has been running for almost a year. I think that I tested other hosting companies (bluehost, godaddy). At that time, they did not offer me the required privilege.
When I last installed some other web app on a 1and1 server, I don't think it offered enough access for a simple Koha installation. That was a couple of years ago, but most providers are reducing access, not increasing it. Some other hosting companies do work, as pointed out above. As well as Linode, I suspect slicehost might offer enough access, but I've not tried it. As well as particular perl modules, it's much easier if you have access to a vhost.conf or similar file. Did you know that at least three of the Koha support companies offer specialist Koha shared hosting, mine included? Check that it's real Koha and that you can download the exact same source to run on your own server if you want, though. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster and LMS developer at | software www.software.coop http://mjr.towers.org.uk | .... co IMO only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html | .... op
2009/11/25 MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop>:
"Han, Yan" <hany@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
Koha setup requires access to env valuables and install certain perl modules. We used Linode (linode.com) and it has been running for almost a year. I think that I tested other hosting companies (bluehost, godaddy). At that time, they did not offer me the required privilege.
Some other hosting companies do work, as pointed out above. As well as Linode, I suspect slicehost might offer enough access, but I've not tried it. As well as particular perl modules, it's much easier if you have access to a vhost.conf or similar file.
Slicehost offers full root access - I'm running Koha on one of their "slices" quite successfully, if I may say so myself... ;-) Regards, Magnus Enger libriotech.no
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