koha 4.0 / solR / Zebra : A working group is born ?
Hi, As you all know, BibLibre has worked hard on integrating solR as search engine into Koha. The resulting work is live in 2 french libraries, and we plan to integrate it into Koha 4.0 Our preference went to do a in-depth work. It mean we changed the API a lot, as well as most of the logic behind the search in Koha. It means we can't keep zebra working as it is today. Fortunately, the proposed structure is modularized, so it's possible to re-implement zebra for those who want to stay with it. It's also possible to reintegrate NoZebra or any other search engine. Zeno Tajoli sent us a mail with some starting work about this re-implementation of zebra. I catched tcohen on IRC today, his boss gave him some time to investigate too. Claire Hernandez (our development manager) is also helping. Unless i'm mistaking, it's a draft of a "search engine working group". If anyone else is interested, drop me (or claire) a mail, we could organize an IRC session. PS: i've submitted a presentation for KohaCon11 about what we did around solR. But it will be librarian-oriented. We will/could/should probably have a topic about that during HackFest as well ;-) -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
Paul, I'd very much like to be involved in the strategic planning for the rebuilding of C4/Search to handle solR. I'm eager to see it as a valid option along side Zebra, for libraries who can support the heavier-weight search system. I think there is also a lot more we can milk out of Zebra with a more generalized and otherwise cleaner search API. I'm free for IRC meetings usually between 12:00 and 22:00 UTC, but could go later if need be. Cheers, -Ian On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain@biblibre.com>wrote:
Hi,
As you all know, BibLibre has worked hard on integrating solR as search engine into Koha. The resulting work is live in 2 french libraries, and we plan to integrate it into Koha 4.0
Our preference went to do a in-depth work. It mean we changed the API a lot, as well as most of the logic behind the search in Koha. It means we can't keep zebra working as it is today. Fortunately, the proposed structure is modularized, so it's possible to re-implement zebra for those who want to stay with it. It's also possible to reintegrate NoZebra or any other search engine.
Zeno Tajoli sent us a mail with some starting work about this re-implementation of zebra. I catched tcohen on IRC today, his boss gave him some time to investigate too. Claire Hernandez (our development manager) is also helping.
Unless i'm mistaking, it's a draft of a "search engine working group". If anyone else is interested, drop me (or claire) a mail, we could organize an IRC session.
PS: i've submitted a presentation for KohaCon11 about what we did around solR. But it will be librarian-oriented. We will/could/should probably have a topic about that during HackFest as well ;-)
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Hi Paul and all, Il 31/08/2011 16:04, Paul Poulain ha scritto:
Zeno Tajoli sent us a mail with some starting work about this re-implementation of zebra. I catched tcohen on IRC today, his boss gave him some time to investigate too. Claire Hernandez (our development manager) is also helping.
I confirm my interest to re-implement Zebra.
PS: i've submitted a presentation for KohaCon11 about what we did around solR. But it will be librarian-oriented. We will/could/should probably have a topic about that during HackFest as well ;-)
But I also confirm that I'm not in KohaConf11 Bye -- Dott. Zeno Tajoli tajoliAT_SPAM_no_prendiATcilea.it fax +39 02 2135520 CILEA - Consorzio Interuniversitario http://www.cilea.it/disclaimer
Paul et. al., I'm not sure I can commit to being an official member of the working group, but I hope you will publicize meetings loudly so that I (and others like me) can attend, and offer my 2 cents (sixty dollars with inflation). Fixing searching in Koha is a topic very near and dear to my heart, as many of you know. Regards, Jared On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Zeno Tajoli <tajoli@cilea.it> wrote:
Hi Paul and all,
Il 31/08/2011 16:04, Paul Poulain ha scritto:
Zeno Tajoli sent us a mail with some starting work about this re-implementation of zebra. I catched tcohen on IRC today, his boss gave him some time to investigate too. Claire Hernandez (our development manager) is also helping.
I confirm my interest to re-implement Zebra.
PS: i've submitted a presentation for KohaCon11 about what we did around solR. But it will be librarian-oriented. We will/could/should probably have a topic about that during HackFest as well ;-)
But I also confirm that I'm not in KohaConf11
Bye
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At 16:28 31/08/2011 +0200, Zeno Tajoli wrote:
Hi Paul and all,
Il 31/08/2011 16:04, Paul Poulain ha scritto:
Zeno Tajoli sent us a mail with some starting work about this re-implementation of zebra. I catched tcohen on IRC today, his boss gave him some time to investigate too. Claire Hernandez (our development manager) is also helping.
I confirm my interest to re-implement Zebra.
I am also very interested in this, and might be able to free up some spare time to assist -- if my somewhat antiquated abilities are at all suitable ;-} Regards Paul Tired old sys-admin --- Archives and Collections (ACS) Society 205, Main Street, Picton, Ontario, K0K 2T0, Canada http://www.AandC.org Canadian Charitable Organization 88721 9921 RR0001
What is the status of SRU support with solR at this time? With Zebra, we can use it more or less rightaway. Since we use that functionality in several ways, I would regret it if we would loose SRU support "out-of-the-box" and need to do local tweaking first.. Marcel ________________________________________ Van: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] namens Paul Poulain [paul.poulain@biblibre.com] Verzonden: woensdag 31 augustus 2011 16:04 Aan: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Onderwerp: [Koha-devel] koha 4.0 / solR / Zebra : A working group is born ? Hi, As you all know, BibLibre has worked hard on integrating solR as search engine into Koha. The resulting work is live in 2 french libraries, and we plan to integrate it into Koha 4.0 Our preference went to do a in-depth work. It mean we changed the API a lot, as well as most of the logic behind the search in Koha. It means we can't keep zebra working as it is today. Fortunately, the proposed structure is modularized, so it's possible to re-implement zebra for those who want to stay with it. It's also possible to reintegrate NoZebra or any other search engine. Zeno Tajoli sent us a mail with some starting work about this re-implementation of zebra. I catched tcohen on IRC today, his boss gave him some time to investigate too. Claire Hernandez (our development manager) is also helping. Unless i'm mistaking, it's a draft of a "search engine working group". If anyone else is interested, drop me (or claire) a mail, we could organize an IRC session. PS: i've submitted a presentation for KohaCon11 about what we did around solR. But it will be librarian-oriented. We will/could/should probably have a topic about that during HackFest as well ;-) -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08 _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
This project should not cause any regressions in Zebra functionality. If a function is available in Zebra that's not available in solR (or vice versa) the reimplemented code should be flexible enough to accommodate that. The various features of each engine should be publicized to the community, and then anyone can use that information to pick which engine best meets their needs. Hopefully Zebra and solR can both be grown in a way to bridge the gap. Cheers, -Ian On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Marcel de Rooy <M.de.Rooy@rijksmuseum.nl>wrote:
What is the status of SRU support with solR at this time? With Zebra, we can use it more or less rightaway. Since we use that functionality in several ways, I would regret it if we would loose SRU support "out-of-the-box" and need to do local tweaking first..
Marcel ________________________________________ Van: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [ koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] namens Paul Poulain [ paul.poulain@biblibre.com] Verzonden: woensdag 31 augustus 2011 16:04 Aan: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Onderwerp: [Koha-devel] koha 4.0 / solR / Zebra : A working group is born ?
Hi,
As you all know, BibLibre has worked hard on integrating solR as search engine into Koha. The resulting work is live in 2 french libraries, and we plan to integrate it into Koha 4.0
Our preference went to do a in-depth work. It mean we changed the API a lot, as well as most of the logic behind the search in Koha. It means we can't keep zebra working as it is today. Fortunately, the proposed structure is modularized, so it's possible to re-implement zebra for those who want to stay with it. It's also possible to reintegrate NoZebra or any other search engine.
Zeno Tajoli sent us a mail with some starting work about this re-implementation of zebra. I catched tcohen on IRC today, his boss gave him some time to investigate too. Claire Hernandez (our development manager) is also helping.
Unless i'm mistaking, it's a draft of a "search engine working group". If anyone else is interested, drop me (or claire) a mail, we could organize an IRC session.
PS: i've submitted a presentation for KohaCon11 about what we did around solR. But it will be librarian-oriented. We will/could/should probably have a topic about that during HackFest as well ;-)
-- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
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2011/8/31 Ian Walls <ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com>:
This project should not cause any regressions in Zebra functionality. If a function is available in Zebra that's not available in solR (or vice versa) the reimplemented code should be flexible enough to accommodate that. The various features of each engine should be publicized to the community, and then anyone can use that information to pick which engine best meets their needs. Hopefully Zebra and solR can both be grown in a way to bridge the gap.
I fully agree and plan to start reading the code this weekend. Regards To+
What is the status of SRU support with solR at this time? I don't have the answer to this question, but, before someone else rise
Le 31/08/2011 16:55, Marcel de Rooy a écrit : the z3950 one => we have developped the z3950 layer for solR. -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
Hie, I have looked at Solr/Lucene tutorial and code. In my opinion, this is the most powerful and flexible search engine and it is not that heavy. Just what Koha needs to expose a user-friendly search interface. Librarians said to us that many users uses OPAC only for search and in a Google-like mode. As a Java developer, I will be pleased to help with Solr customization on Java side. Keep me in touch. PS : note that Solr provides a very large language-specific modules, which is needed for Koha international community. Best regards, -- Fridolyn SOMERS ICT engineer PROGILONE - Lyon - France fridolyn.somers@gmail.com On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain@biblibre.com>wrote:
What is the status of SRU support with solR at this time? I don't have the answer to this question, but, before someone else rise
Le 31/08/2011 16:55, Marcel de Rooy a écrit : the z3950 one => we have developped the z3950 layer for solR.
-- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
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okay, after todays failure of zebra, requiring a reindex, no idea why, i recall Apache Solr... so i do a search.. and i find, this. http://www.indexdata.com/news/2010/10/yaz-411-available-now-solr-support in other words, does this give perl solr support, without too much work? or is this the result of work that was described below? ________________________________ From: Paul Poulain <paul.poulain@biblibre.com> To: "koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org" <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2011 2:04 AM Subject: [Koha-devel] koha 4.0 / solR / Zebra : A working group is born ? Hi, As you all know, BibLibre has worked hard on integrating solR as search engine into Koha. The resulting work is live in 2 french libraries, and we plan to integrate it into Koha 4.0 Our preference went to do a in-depth work. It mean we changed the API a lot, as well as most of the logic behind the search in Koha. It means we can't keep zebra working as it is today. Fortunately, the proposed structure is modularized, so it's possible to re-implement zebra for those who want to stay with it. It's also possible to reintegrate NoZebra or any other search engine. Zeno Tajoli sent us a mail with some starting work about this re-implementation of zebra. I catched tcohen on IRC today, his boss gave him some time to investigate too. Claire Hernandez (our development manager) is also helping. Unless i'm mistaking, it's a draft of a "search engine working group". If anyone else is interested, drop me (or claire) a mail, we could organize an IRC session. PS: i've submitted a presentation for KohaCon11 about what we did around solR. But it will be librarian-oriented. We will/could/should probably have a topic about that during HackFest as well ;-) -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08 _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
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