KohaCon 13 Survey Problem
Hello all, I wasn't clear when I sent out the survey for KohaCon and per a discussion in #koha I'm coming to you to see if you'd like me to rerun the survey so you can update your votes. Here's how it works - and how it worked in previous years: If you vote for someplace as #1 it gets 5 points, #2 it gets 4 points, and so on. In the end we tally the points to see where the conference takes place. That way if everyone picks one place as #1 but more people pick it as second and third it still might win. So basically if you won't go somewhere no matter what then don't vote for that location and it will get no points from you. This means that those of you who didn't know the rules - because I didn't make it clear at all (my fault) might not have voted the way you would have if you knew the rules. So my question to you all is ... should I close voting and put out a new call for votes explaining the procedure more clearly - or do we just carry on as we are? Nicole
Yes, please restart the vote. I was not aware that I could only give points to one location. -- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12 Am 05.07.2012 um 19:31 schrieb Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com>:
Hello all,
I wasn't clear when I sent out the survey for KohaCon and per a discussion in #koha I'm coming to you to see if you'd like me to rerun the survey so you can update your votes. Here's how it works - and how it worked in previous years:
If you vote for someplace as #1 it gets 5 points, #2 it gets 4 points, and so on. In the end we tally the points to see where the conference takes place. That way if everyone picks one place as #1 but more people pick it as second and third it still might win. So basically if you won't go somewhere no matter what then don't vote for that location and it will get no points from you.
This means that those of you who didn't know the rules - because I didn't make it clear at all (my fault) might not have voted the way you would have if you knew the rules. So my question to you all is ... should I close voting and put out a new call for votes explaining the procedure more clearly - or do we just carry on as we are?
Nicole _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
Marc, Yes, please restart the vote. I was not aware that I could only give
points to one location.
Every location you vote for gets points. It's just that it gets a different number of points depending on whether you rank it 1..5. Regards, Jared -- Jared Camins-Esakov Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445 (e-mail) jcamins@cpbibliography.com (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
As I understand, I could have given points only to one location, not giving points to any of the other locations, right? I was under the impression that I must pick five locations, which seems not to be the case. -- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12 Am 05.07.2012 um 19:38 schrieb Jared Camins-Esakov <jcamins@cpbibliography.com>:
Marc,
Yes, please restart the vote. I was not aware that I could only give points to one location.
Every location you vote for gets points. It's just that it gets a different number of points depending on whether you rank it 1..5.
Regards, Jared
-- Jared Camins-Esakov Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445 (e-mail) jcamins@cpbibliography.com (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
You are right. And it is my fault. I'm just waiting to hear from a few others about what their opinions are. Nicole On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch> wrote:
As I understand, I could have given points only to one location, not giving points to any of the other locations, right?
I was under the impression that I must pick five locations, which seems not to be the case.
-- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12
Am 05.07.2012 um 19:38 schrieb Jared Camins-Esakov <jcamins@cpbibliography.com>:
Marc,
Yes, please restart the vote. I was not aware that I could only give points to one location.
Every location you vote for gets points. It's just that it gets a different number of points depending on whether you rank it 1..5.
Regards, Jared
-- Jared Camins-Esakov Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445 (e-mail) jcamins@cpbibliography.com (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
I was under that impression too and would not have voted the way I did had I known otehrwise. Lori On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch> wrote:
As I understand, I could have given points only to one location, not giving points to any of the other locations, right?
I was under the impression that I must pick five locations, which seems not to be the case.
-- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12
Am 05.07.2012 um 19:38 schrieb Jared Camins-Esakov < jcamins@cpbibliography.com>:
Marc,
Yes, please restart the vote. I was not aware that I could only give points to one location.
Every location you vote for gets points. It's just that it gets a different number of points depending on whether you rank it 1..5.
Regards, Jared
-- Jared Camins-Esakov Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445 (e-mail) jcamins@cpbibliography.com (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
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So lets repeat the vote, please. -- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12 Am 05.07.2012 um 22:00 schrieb Lori Bowen Ayre <lori.ayre@galecia.com>:
I was under that impression too and would not have voted the way I did had I known otehrwise.
Lori
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch> wrote: As I understand, I could have given points only to one location, not giving points to any of the other locations, right?
I was under the impression that I must pick five locations, which seems not to be the case.
-- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12
Am 05.07.2012 um 19:38 schrieb Jared Camins-Esakov <jcamins@cpbibliography.com>:
Marc,
Yes, please restart the vote. I was not aware that I could only give points to one location.
Every location you vote for gets points. It's just that it gets a different number of points depending on whether you rank it 1..5.
Regards, Jared
-- Jared Camins-Esakov Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445 (e-mail) jcamins@cpbibliography.com (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
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Most people in #koha are saying it's too likely we'll miss people if we redo. So, if it's a big deal to you (any of you) email me offlist with the email address and name (and date if you remember) you used on the survey and I'll delete your vote so you can vote again. Nicole On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch> wrote:
So lets repeat the vote, please.
-- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12
Am 05.07.2012 um 22:00 schrieb Lori Bowen Ayre <lori.ayre@galecia.com>:
I was under that impression too and would not have voted the way I did had I known otehrwise.
Lori
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch> wrote:
As I understand, I could have given points only to one location, not giving points to any of the other locations, right?
I was under the impression that I must pick five locations, which seems not to be the case.
-- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12
Am 05.07.2012 um 19:38 schrieb Jared Camins-Esakov <jcamins@cpbibliography.com>:
Marc,
Yes, please restart the vote. I was not aware that I could only give points to one location.
Every location you vote for gets points. It's just that it gets a different number of points depending on whether you rank it 1..5.
Regards, Jared
-- Jared Camins-Esakov Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445 (e-mail) jcamins@cpbibliography.com (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
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Le 05/07/2012 22:09, Nicole Engard a écrit :
Most people in #koha are saying it's too likely we'll miss people if we redo. So, if it's a big deal to you (any of you) email me offlist with the email address and name (and date if you remember) you used on the survey and I'll delete your vote so you can vote again. You can also email me, as I've an administrative access to the survey too, so I can delete your vote.
-- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
Paul, You need DB access to delete the votes - so it will have to be me. Nicole On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain@biblibre.com> wrote:
Le 05/07/2012 22:09, Nicole Engard a écrit :
Most people in #koha are saying it's too likely we'll miss people if we redo. So, if it's a big deal to you (any of you) email me offlist with the email address and name (and date if you remember) you used on the survey and I'll delete your vote so you can vote again. You can also email me, as I've an administrative access to the survey too, so I can delete your vote.
-- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
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* Marc Balmer (marc@msys.ch) wrote:
So lets repeat the vote, please.
You are volunteering to email all those people, including the ones Mirko made a good point about not having reliable internet? To make sure they know to vote again? Chris
-- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12 Am 05.07.2012 um 22:00 schrieb Lori Bowen Ayre <lori.ayre@galecia.com>:
I was under that impression too and would not have voted the way I did had I known otehrwise. Lori
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Marc Balmer <marc@msys.ch> wrote:
As I understand, I could have given points only to one location, not giving points to any of the other locations, right?
I was under the impression that I must pick five locations, which seems not to be the case.
-- Marc Balmer micro systems, http://www.msys.ch/ Tel. +41 61 383 05 10, Fax +41 61 383 05 12
Am 05.07.2012 um 19:38 schrieb Jared Camins-Esakov <jcamins@cpbibliography.com>: > Marc, > > Yes, please restart the vote. I was not aware that I could only give points to one location. > > Every location you vote for gets points. It's just that it gets a different number of points depending on whether you rank it 1..5. > > Regards, > Jared > > -- > Jared Camins-Esakov > Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC > (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445 > (e-mail) jcamins@cpbibliography.com > (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/ > _______________________________________________ Koha mailing list http://koha-community.org Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
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Yes..let's have a new vote! -----Original Message----- From: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Engard Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:31 PM To: Koha; Koha Devel Subject: [Koha-devel] KohaCon 13 Survey Problem Hello all, I wasn't clear when I sent out the survey for KohaCon and per a discussion in #koha I'm coming to you to see if you'd like me to rerun the survey so you can update your votes. Here's how it works - and how it worked in previous years: If you vote for someplace as #1 it gets 5 points, #2 it gets 4 points, and so on. In the end we tally the points to see where the conference takes place. That way if everyone picks one place as #1 but more people pick it as second and third it still might win. So basically if you won't go somewhere no matter what then don't vote for that location and it will get no points from you. This means that those of you who didn't know the rules - because I didn't make it clear at all (my fault) might not have voted the way you would have if you knew the rules. So my question to you all is ... should I close voting and put out a new call for votes explaining the procedure more clearly - or do we just carry on as we are? Nicole _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
I think we should finish the vote as it is. Everyone could have asked before voting how the winner will be determined, only noone did. And we are not using a new system, it's the same that we used before. Katrin -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org im Auftrag von Scott Kushner Gesendet: Do 05.07.2012 20:19 An: Nicole Engard; Koha; Koha Devel Betreff: Re: [Koha-devel] KohaCon 13 Survey Problem Yes..let's have a new vote! -----Original Message----- From: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Engard Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:31 PM To: Koha; Koha Devel Subject: [Koha-devel] KohaCon 13 Survey Problem Hello all, I wasn't clear when I sent out the survey for KohaCon and per a discussion in #koha I'm coming to you to see if you'd like me to rerun the survey so you can update your votes. Here's how it works - and how it worked in previous years: If you vote for someplace as #1 it gets 5 points, #2 it gets 4 points, and so on. In the end we tally the points to see where the conference takes place. That way if everyone picks one place as #1 but more people pick it as second and third it still might win. So basically if you won't go somewhere no matter what then don't vote for that location and it will get no points from you. This means that those of you who didn't know the rules - because I didn't make it clear at all (my fault) might not have voted the way you would have if you knew the rules. So my question to you all is ... should I close voting and put out a new call for votes explaining the procedure more clearly - or do we just carry on as we are? Nicole _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/ _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
On 2012-07-6, at 6:35 AM, Fischer, Katrin wrote:
I think we should finish the vote as it is. Everyone could have asked before voting how the winner will be determined, only noone did. And we are not using a new system, it's the same that we used before.
Katrin
as usual, i strongly agree :) if you want to change your bad vote, why not ask the survey-admin (Nicole) nicely to remove your current vote, so you can to it again... sorry, your mistake is not enough reason to void the current survey
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Mason James <mtj@kohaaloha.com> wrote:
sorry, your mistake is not enough reason to void the current survey
Mason, I would say that the mistake was mine - not the voters' - I didn't explain clearly and that is why I will delete anyone's vote who asks me to. Nicole
* Scott Kushner (skushner@mplmain.mtpl.org) wrote:
Yes..let's have a new vote!
Maybe I'll be the only dissenting voice. But by doing a new vote we have to be very careful we aren't just creating a new injustice trying to fix one. We need to make sure that everyone who has voted knows they have to vote again. So we would have to email them each I would imagine, as well as a new mail to the mailing list. Also we are we revoting? Our choice isn't winning? (That's a question that is going to be asked, and if the revote significantly changes the decision ... quite validly as well) Chris
-----Original Message----- From: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Engard Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:31 PM To: Koha; Koha Devel Subject: [Koha-devel] KohaCon 13 Survey Problem
Hello all,
I wasn't clear when I sent out the survey for KohaCon and per a discussion in #koha I'm coming to you to see if you'd like me to rerun the survey so you can update your votes. Here's how it works - and how it worked in previous years:
If you vote for someplace as #1 it gets 5 points, #2 it gets 4 points, and so on. In the end we tally the points to see where the conference takes place. That way if everyone picks one place as #1 but more people pick it as second and third it still might win. So basically if you won't go somewhere no matter what then don't vote for that location and it will get no points from you.
This means that those of you who didn't know the rules - because I didn't make it clear at all (my fault) might not have voted the way you would have if you knew the rules. So my question to you all is ... should I close voting and put out a new call for votes explaining the procedure more clearly - or do we just carry on as we are?
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schrieb Chris Cormack am 05.07.2012 20:37:
* Scott Kushner (skushner@mplmain.mtpl.org) wrote:
Yes..let's have a new vote!
Maybe I'll be the only dissenting voice. But by doing a new vote we have to be very careful we aren't just creating a new injustice trying to fix one.
We need to make sure that everyone who has voted knows they have to vote again. So we would have to email them each I would imagine, as well as a new mail to the mailing list.
I'd like to escalate this scenario one step. We have bids from all around the world and internet access is not equally easy to have in all these places. For me it is very unlikely to have no internet access for just one whole day in my day to day life. That might be very different in other places and to be fair we would have to make sure that everybody who voted the first time has internet access to 1) know about the second voting 2) vote It is impossible to just check that unless somebody volunteers to send and answer emails to almost 300 people. That is not going to happen, so we would probably have to delay the whole thing for some arbitrary amount of time until we vote again. Also I am surely not the only one who watched the results since he voted himself, so now that you got an idea of the results you might all just change for some crazy tactical voting scheme. I agree that it is a problem that the situation was unclear. But just starting again is not going to make that any better or fairer, it will raise a lot of questions and problems. - Mirko
My vote is a rerun as I didn't understand how it works. On 6 July 2012 05:31, Nicole Engard <nengard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I wasn't clear when I sent out the survey for KohaCon and per a discussion in #koha I'm coming to you to see if you'd like me to rerun the survey so you can update your votes. Here's how it works - and how it worked in previous years:
If you vote for someplace as #1 it gets 5 points, #2 it gets 4 points, and so on. In the end we tally the points to see where the conference takes place. That way if everyone picks one place as #1 but more people pick it as second and third it still might win. So basically if you won't go somewhere no matter what then don't vote for that location and it will get no points from you.
This means that those of you who didn't know the rules - because I didn't make it clear at all (my fault) might not have voted the way you would have if you knew the rules. So my question to you all is ... should I close voting and put out a new call for votes explaining the procedure more clearly - or do we just carry on as we are?
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participants (11)
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Chris Cormack -
Fischer, Katrin -
Jared Camins-Esakov -
Joann Ransom -
Lori Bowen Ayre -
Marc Balmer -
Mason James -
Mirko -
Nicole Engard -
Paul Poulain -
Scott Kushner