Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA
Hello, someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers page. The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny: most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...) Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18 IIRC) I propose to: * drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the information here is outdated, please activate HEA (<<some explanations about hea>>)" * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying "this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org") Any objection ? -- Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner BibLibre, Services en logiciels libres pour les bibliothèques BibLibre, Open Source software and services for libraries
Hi Paul
someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers page.
Calling this page says: "There is currently no text in this page." Probably you meant https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users and pages like https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe
The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny: most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)
Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18 IIRC)
Also in HEA I see there are 1'693 (unnamed) libraries listed, but only 35 of the area really up to date (meaning working woith Koha 18.05.00 or 18.05.01). Compared to the assumed 15'000 Koha libraries this is only 0.2% of all libraries that we can be sure of they are really up to date.
I propose to:
* drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the information here is outdated, please activate HEA (<<some explanations about hea>>)" * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying "this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org")
Not all information on this page is outdated - only the untended data is outdated. I feel personally responsible for some of the data and can affirm this data is not outdated.
Any objection ?
HEA however doesn't give the same information as the "Koha_Users" pages give. The users page shows * the country * the location * library type * library name (often with URL to the OPAC, most interesting to me - but if it's not there I can search for the OPAC URL in Google using the library's name) * and more information to very SPECIFIC libraries - all of which is missing in HEA since https://hea.koha-community.org/ gives just numbers numbers numbers but at least I can't imagine how to wisely interpret or use them in most cases since I am absolutely sure they are not representative. To me personally, the only halfway interesting thing about HEA is the page about the use of the system preferences https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
Somewhat confused by that comment... * 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ? * 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of installed versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha installs and as such are automatically kept up to date. I don't really see what your point was there? * It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to the wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages) * Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the information and more doesn't it: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274 - If there's something missing do feel free to request it's addition. I would happily agree with Pauls proposed approach myself and I'd love to see more use of HEA.. perhaps this would act as another little reminder of HEA's existence and a drive to get more libraries to opt in. The views expressed here are my own and not the views of the company I work for. *Martin Renvoize* Development Manager *T:* +44 (0) 1483 378728 *F:* +44 (0) 800 756 6384 *E:* martin.renvoize@ptfs-europe.com www.ptfs-europe.com <https://www.ptfs-europe.com> Registered in the United Kingdom No. 06416372 VAT Reg No. 925 7211 30 The information contained in this email message may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you think that you have received this email message in error, please email the sender at info@ptfs-europe.com On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 08:54, Michael Kuhn <mik@adminkuhn.ch> wrote:
Hi Paul
someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers page.
Calling this page says: "There is currently no text in this page."
Probably you meant https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users and pages like https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe
The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny: most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)
Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18 IIRC)
Also in HEA I see there are 1'693 (unnamed) libraries listed, but only 35 of the area really up to date (meaning working woith Koha 18.05.00 or 18.05.01). Compared to the assumed 15'000 Koha libraries this is only 0.2% of all libraries that we can be sure of they are really up to date.
I propose to:
* drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the information here is outdated, please activate HEA (<<some explanations about hea>>)" * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying "this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org")
Not all information on this page is outdated - only the untended data is outdated. I feel personally responsible for some of the data and can affirm this data is not outdated.
Any objection ?
HEA however doesn't give the same information as the "Koha_Users" pages give. The users page shows
* the country * the location * library type * library name (often with URL to the OPAC, most interesting to me - but if it's not there I can search for the OPAC URL in Google using the library's name) * and more information
to very SPECIFIC libraries - all of which is missing in HEA since https://hea.koha-community.org/ gives just numbers numbers numbers but at least I can't imagine how to wisely interpret or use them in most cases since I am absolutely sure they are not representative. To me personally, the only halfway interesting thing about HEA is the page about the use of the system preferences https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
Hi Martin
* 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ?
Actually I didn't remember https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries - thanks for the hint! However https://hea.koha-community.org/ lists a number of 1'693 libraries while https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries lists only about 1'140 of them by name. Why is that so? Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with me, but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I just can't read the stuff...
* 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of installed versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha installs and as such are automatically kept up to date.
Yes I see that.
I don't really see what your point was there?
Paul was mentioning that many French libraries are or seem to be outdated - "most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x [...] Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version numbering schema." In https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences of the aformentioned 1'693 libraries for even less than 1'140 of them the version number is given. But how representative are these? Comparing just the data from libraries.org (which lists about 5'000 Koha libraries) for example the distribution of countries is: * USA: 1'772 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 149 of 1'693 at HEA * Turkey: 961 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 3 of 1'693 at HEA * France: 305 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 133 of 1'693 at HEA * Great Britain: 232 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 31 of 1'693 at HEA * Germany: 41 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 17 of 1'693 at HEA Now is libraries.org more representative or HEA... or none? To me it seems like some people are using libraries.org, some are using HEA or even both - but most don't use or even want to use anything at all. As I understand you need at least Koha 3.18 to use HEA even if for some libraries version numbers like 3.10 or 3.14 are given. Does this mean the other almost 14'000 Koha libraries are not even on Koha 3.18? Of course I can interpret, but since the numbers are not representative at all, I can just see that out of this unrepresentative sample of 1'693 libraries 35 (2%) are really up to date. 35 of 15'000 almost unknwon libraries is even just 0.2%. What does it really mean? Maybe I'm the wrong person. Maybe someone should write here about his HEA expoerience who is actually using these numbers and explain in which way he can make use of these numbers... me, I'm probably just stunned by them.
* It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to the wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages)
Sure, I do know that, but still of the estimated 15'000 Koha libraries a maximum of 11% have opted to use HEA so far. But on the other hand if you add yourself in the Koha wiki (or let your support company add you) you can decide yourself what to add.
* Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the information and more doesn't it: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274
Yes, but of course this is only true for the libraries that opt to add themselves to HEA. It seems many libraries don't know about HEA oder they think to have good reasons to not or never add themselves to HEA. Some of these reasons may be: * data protection - some may consider at least some of the data as delicate * data security - who knows what data is really submitted? So better don't submit at all * the IT department doesn't allow any outside connections * exposure is not wanted in any way (for example with company libraries, the library of the NSA/KGB, private installations, etc) I'm not a statistician but I doubt we will ever have what such a giy would call representative data in HEA or anywhere. So I think it is good to have ALL available data i. e. including the data in the Koha wiki and not deleting them.
- If there's something missing do feel free to request it's addition.
I do not request anything but I do indicate that the Koha wiki offers also e-mail addresses and names and some other information in the "notes" column. Last but not least, the information in the Koha wiki (unlike to HEA) can be edited by anyone who's got some information. Nothing has to be activated and anyone can do it without asking for permission. You just need an account for the Koha wiki. Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
On 9 July 2018 9:43:27 PM NZST, Michael Kuhn <mik@adminkuhn.ch> wrote:
Hi Martin
* 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ?
Actually I didn't remember https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries - thanks for the hint!
However https://hea.koha-community.org/ lists a number of 1'693 libraries while https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries lists only about 1'140 of them by name. Why is that so?
Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية
الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with me, but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I just can't read the stuff...
Really? Really? You are going to call someones language stuff and denigrate just because you can't read it? I stopped reading your email at this point. Chris
* 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of installed versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha installs and as such are automatically kept up to date.
Yes I see that.
I don't really see what your point was there?
Paul was mentioning that many French libraries are or seem to be outdated - "most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x [...] Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version
numbering schema."
In https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences of the aformentioned 1'693 libraries for even less than 1'140 of them the version number is given. But how representative are these? Comparing just the data from libraries.org (which lists about 5'000 Koha libraries) for example the distribution of countries is:
* USA: 1'772 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 149 of 1'693 at HEA * Turkey: 961 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 3 of 1'693 at HEA * France: 305 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 133 of 1'693 at HEA * Great Britain: 232 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 31 of 1'693 at HEA * Germany: 41 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 17 of 1'693 at HEA
Now is libraries.org more representative or HEA... or none? To me it seems like some people are using libraries.org, some are using HEA or even both - but most don't use or even want to use anything at all.
As I understand you need at least Koha 3.18 to use HEA even if for some
libraries version numbers like 3.10 or 3.14 are given. Does this mean the other almost 14'000 Koha libraries are not even on Koha 3.18? Of course I can interpret, but since the numbers are not representative at
all, I can just see that out of this unrepresentative sample of 1'693 libraries 35 (2%) are really up to date. 35 of 15'000 almost unknwon libraries is even just 0.2%. What does it really mean?
Maybe I'm the wrong person. Maybe someone should write here about his HEA expoerience who is actually using these numbers and explain in which way he can make use of these numbers... me, I'm probably just stunned by them.
* It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to the wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages)
Sure, I do know that, but still of the estimated 15'000 Koha libraries a maximum of 11% have opted to use HEA so far.
But on the other hand if you add yourself in the Koha wiki (or let your
support company add you) you can decide yourself what to add.
* Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the information and more doesn't it: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274
Yes, but of course this is only true for the libraries that opt to add themselves to HEA. It seems many libraries don't know about HEA oder they think to have good reasons to not or never add themselves to HEA. Some of these reasons may be:
* data protection - some may consider at least some of the data as delicate * data security - who knows what data is really submitted? So better don't submit at all * the IT department doesn't allow any outside connections * exposure is not wanted in any way (for example with company libraries, the library of the NSA/KGB, private installations, etc)
I'm not a statistician but I doubt we will ever have what such a giy would call representative data in HEA or anywhere. So I think it is good to have ALL available data i. e. including the data in the Koha wiki and not deleting them.
- If there's something missing do feel free to request it's addition.
I do not request anything but I do indicate that the Koha wiki offers also e-mail addresses and names and some other information in the "notes" column. Last but not least, the information in the Koha wiki (unlike to HEA) can be edited by anyone who's got some information. Nothing has to be activated and anyone can do it without asking for permission. You just need an account for the Koha wiki.
Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Hi Chris
Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية
الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with me, but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I just can't read the stuff...
Really? Really? You are going to call someones language stuff and denigrate just because you can't read it?
I stopped reading your email at this point.
I'm sorry if this is not the correct word to express what I wanted to say. I didn't intend to "denigrate" anything (I didn't even know the word "denigrate" until now...), I just wanted to say that I can't read or even understand these letters at all. I wasn't aware the word "stuff" is "denigrating" letters I cannot read, I was just using it in the neutral sense of "material"... I now consulted the Merriam-Webster dictionary ( https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stuff ) and saw the word has very different meanings, among them 4 a : literary or artistic production b : writing, discourse, talk, or ideas of little value : trash As you know I'm not a native English speaker. You probably recognized 4.b while I meant 4.a. However, I hope I now made clear what I wanted to say. Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
There are 1005 installations and 1711 libraries. Since Hea v2 (bug 18066) you can submit information at library level (see /cgi-bin/koha/admin/usage_statistics.pl, "Libraries information: yes"). The list of the data shared is available from the hea website, about > documentation. There is also a "Why these statistics are useful" section Regards, Jonathan On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 06:43 Michael Kuhn <mik@adminkuhn.ch> wrote:
Hi Martin
* 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ?
Actually I didn't remember https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries - thanks for the hint!
However https://hea.koha-community.org/ lists a number of 1'693 libraries while https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries lists only about 1'140 of them by name. Why is that so?
Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with me, but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I just can't read the stuff...
* 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of installed versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha installs and as such are automatically kept up to date.
Yes I see that.
I don't really see what your point was there?
Paul was mentioning that many French libraries are or seem to be outdated - "most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x [...] Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version numbering schema."
In https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences of the aformentioned 1'693 libraries for even less than 1'140 of them the version number is given. But how representative are these? Comparing just the data from libraries.org (which lists about 5'000 Koha libraries) for example the distribution of countries is:
* USA: 1'772 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 149 of 1'693 at HEA * Turkey: 961 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 3 of 1'693 at HEA * France: 305 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 133 of 1'693 at HEA * Great Britain: 232 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 31 of 1'693 at HEA * Germany: 41 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 17 of 1'693 at HEA
Now is libraries.org more representative or HEA... or none? To me it seems like some people are using libraries.org, some are using HEA or even both - but most don't use or even want to use anything at all.
As I understand you need at least Koha 3.18 to use HEA even if for some libraries version numbers like 3.10 or 3.14 are given. Does this mean the other almost 14'000 Koha libraries are not even on Koha 3.18? Of course I can interpret, but since the numbers are not representative at all, I can just see that out of this unrepresentative sample of 1'693 libraries 35 (2%) are really up to date. 35 of 15'000 almost unknwon libraries is even just 0.2%. What does it really mean?
Maybe I'm the wrong person. Maybe someone should write here about his HEA expoerience who is actually using these numbers and explain in which way he can make use of these numbers... me, I'm probably just stunned by them.
* It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to the wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages)
Sure, I do know that, but still of the estimated 15'000 Koha libraries a maximum of 11% have opted to use HEA so far.
But on the other hand if you add yourself in the Koha wiki (or let your support company add you) you can decide yourself what to add.
* Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the information and more doesn't it: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274
Yes, but of course this is only true for the libraries that opt to add themselves to HEA. It seems many libraries don't know about HEA oder they think to have good reasons to not or never add themselves to HEA. Some of these reasons may be:
* data protection - some may consider at least some of the data as delicate * data security - who knows what data is really submitted? So better don't submit at all * the IT department doesn't allow any outside connections * exposure is not wanted in any way (for example with company libraries, the library of the NSA/KGB, private installations, etc)
I'm not a statistician but I doubt we will ever have what such a giy would call representative data in HEA or anywhere. So I think it is good to have ALL available data i. e. including the data in the Koha wiki and not deleting them.
- If there's something missing do feel free to request it's addition.
I do not request anything but I do indicate that the Koha wiki offers also e-mail addresses and names and some other information in the "notes" column. Last but not least, the information in the Koha wiki (unlike to HEA) can be edited by anyone who's got some information. Nothing has to be activated and anyone can do it without asking for permission. You just need an account for the Koha wiki.
Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 <+41%2061%20261%2055%2061> · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
Le 09/07/2018 à 09:54, Michael Kuhn a écrit :
Hi Paul Hi Michael,
someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers page.
Calling this page says: "There is currently no text in this page."
Probably you meant https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Users and pages like https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe right, sorry.
The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny: most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)
Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18 IIRC)
Also in HEA I see there are 1'693 (unnamed) libraries listed, but only 35 of the area really up to date (meaning working woith Koha 18.05.00 or 18.05.01). Compared to the assumed 15'000 Koha libraries this is only 0.2% of all libraries that we can be sure of they are really up to date. The Koha version provided by HEA is uptodate. It's not HEA's responsibility if the library's Koha is not ;) (disclaimer : most of BibLibre customers are sending data to HEA, and we're currently upgrading them to 17.11, we never deploy the most recent version for stability & translation reasons) Note : we can/should improve HEA rendering of data we collect.
to very SPECIFIC libraries - all of which is missing in HEA since https://hea.koha-community.org/ gives just numbers numbers numbers but at least I can't imagine how to wisely interpret or use them in most cases since I am absolutely sure they are not representative. To me personally, the only halfway interesting thing about HEA is the page about the use of the system preferences https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
I don't understand what you mean here :\ -- Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner BibLibre, Services en logiciels libres pour les bibliothèques BibLibre, Open Source software and services for libraries
Hi Paul
to very SPECIFIC libraries - all of which is missing in HEA since https://hea.koha-community.org/ gives just numbers numbers numbers but at least I can't imagine how to wisely interpret or use them in most cases since I am absolutely sure they are not representative. To me personally, the only halfway interesting thing about HEA is the page about the use of the system preferences https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
I don't understand what you mean here :\
Well, maybe I don't know the goals of HEA. But I imagine HEA should not just show numbers but the shown numbers should be somehow representative or (best but impossible) the numbers should be all numbers of all Koha libraries i. e. the complete numbers. And of course there should be someone (maybe the developers?) that has actual use for these numbers. At the moment I just see these numbers are probably representative for Koha libraries using HEA (even if I have some question marks) and I don't know what to make of this. Personally I don't feel the need to go deeper into this, let's say I just expressed how I feel about HEA and (automatically generated) statistics in general... Best wishes: Michael -- Geschäftsführer · Diplombibliothekar BBS, Informatiker eidg. Fachausweis Admin Kuhn GmbH · Pappelstrasse 20 · 4123 Allschwil · Schweiz T 0041 (0)61 261 55 61 · E mik@adminkuhn.ch · W www.adminkuhn.ch
Hello all, I sent an email to anyone listed on https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe, asking to update the reference, and explain HEA. I got something like 15 bounces "email does not exist". I tried to reach OPACs for each of them (when on the wiki page). I removed references that : have been bounced, have OPAC not reachable anymore, a very old version declared. Le 09/07/2018 à 09:22, Paul Poulain a écrit :
Hello,
someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers page.
The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny: most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)
Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18 IIRC)
I propose to:
* drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the information here is outdated, please activate HEA (<<some explanations about hea>>)" * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying "this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org")
Any objection ?
-- Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner BibLibre, Services en logiciels libres pour les bibliothèques BibLibre, Open Source software and services for libraries
Hi Paul, No objection really, using Hea is a good thing and I recommend libraries enable it. We should make asking about enabling it the last step of the onboarder [is it there already? I forget...]. :) What I would like to see, is a lighter weight checkin to hea, where if you (or your IT department) were feeling a bit wary about sending all of your syspref stats to Hea, you could send only your Library name and contact information, if desired (Koha could, of course, provide things like the currently running version) as a one off. I recognise this is a feature request for Hea :D and I think I'd be happy at some stage to build the bits into Koha that were required to have the feature, if it seems like something desirable to have in addition to the auto reporting. I have other ideas about how one-off data could be used too, for example you could flag those libraries if they never updated automatically (or done an additional one off submission later) in Hea "this library hasn't reported in for a long time - this entry may be suspect." Those could be in an entirely separate list, too. Could also email the contact automatically "hey update your entry if you're still using Koha!" We all know that wiki pages are out of date the moment you click Save, so using Hea really is the best way to register Koha usage for any library. I just want it to be comfortable for every library to submit as much or as little information as they are comfortable with. Cheers, Liz On 23/08/18 00:04, Paul Poulain wrote:
Hello all,
I sent an email to anyone listed on https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers/Europe, asking to update the reference, and explain HEA.
I got something like 15 bounces "email does not exist". I tried to reach OPACs for each of them (when on the wiki page).
I removed references that : have been bounced, have OPAC not reachable anymore, a very old version declared.
Le 09/07/2018 à 09:22, Paul Poulain a écrit :
Hello,
someone pointed me the https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers page.
The French libraries you can see here are so outdated that it's funny: most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x, supported by me (not BibLibre. So more than 10 years old data...)
Other pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version numbering schema. And now we have HEA (available since 3.18 IIRC)
I propose to:
* drop an email to all contacts saying "you're the contact for the wiki page https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaUsers, the information here is outdated, please activate HEA (<<some explanations about hea>>)" * update the wiki pages to add a big warn on top of each, saying "this page is outdated, see hea.koha-community.org")
Any objection ?
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Hi Paul,
No objection really, using Hea is a good thing and I recommend libraries enable it. We should make asking about enabling it the last step of the onboarder [is it there already? I forget...]. :)
What I would like to see, is a lighter weight checkin to hea, where if you (or your IT department) were feeling a bit wary about sending all of your syspref stats to Hea, you could send only your Library name and contact information, if desired (Koha could, of course, provide things like the currently running version) as a one off. This idea sounds surprising to me: sharing sysprefs in anonymous way look less sensible than sharing library & contact. That's why we wrote HEA with only 3 options: share nothing / share data anonymously (including syspref) / share everything. In your idea, what about numbers already shared (like # of biblios,
Hello Liz, Le 23/08/2018 à 04:39, Liz Rea a écrit : patrons, issues, ...) ? should they be sent with syspref or with library name/contact ? OTHER : do you think it's an option that will result in more libraries being on HEA ?
I recognise this is a feature request for Hea :D and I think I'd be happy at some stage to build the bits into Koha that were required to have the feature, if it seems like something desirable to have in addition to the auto reporting.
I have other ideas about how one-off data could be used too, for example you could flag those libraries if they never updated automatically (or done an additional one off submission later) in Hea "this library hasn't reported in for a long time - this entry may be suspect." Those could be in an entirely separate list, too. Could also email the contact automatically "hey update your entry if you're still using Koha!" Good news: we store the "last update timestamp" on the server. So we can do that really easily ;)
-- Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner BibLibre, Services en logiciels libres pour les bibliothèques BibLibre, Open Source software and services for libraries
On 23/08/18 19:27, Paul Poulain wrote:
Hello Liz,
Hi Paul,
No objection really, using Hea is a good thing and I recommend libraries enable it. We should make asking about enabling it the last step of the onboarder [is it there already? I forget...]. :)
What I would like to see, is a lighter weight checkin to hea, where if you (or your IT department) were feeling a bit wary about sending all of your syspref stats to Hea, you could send only your Library name and contact information, if desired (Koha could, of course, provide things like the currently running version) as a one off. This idea sounds surprising to me: sharing sysprefs in anonymous way look less sensible than sharing library & contact. That's why we wrote HEA with only 3 options: share nothing / share data anonymously (including syspref) / share everything. In your idea, what about numbers already shared (like # of biblios,
Le 23/08/2018 à 04:39, Liz Rea a écrit : patrons, issues, ...) ? should they be sent with syspref or with library name/contact ? OTHER : do you think it's an option that will result in more libraries being on HEA ?
I do feel like having just the name and the contact information, as a one off submission, would result in more libraries being listed in Hea - especially if it's the last step in the onboarder at installation time, and available say, to do later from the about page. could add a default news item pointing to the preferences to turn it on and/or register your library with the community. IT departments are weird sometimes, what can I say. ^.^
I recognise this is a feature request for Hea :D and I think I'd be happy at some stage to build the bits into Koha that were required to have the feature, if it seems like something desirable to have in addition to the auto reporting.
I have other ideas about how one-off data could be used too, for example you could flag those libraries if they never updated automatically (or done an additional one off submission later) in Hea "this library hasn't reported in for a long time - this entry may be suspect." Those could be in an entirely separate list, too. Could also email the contact automatically "hey update your entry if you're still using Koha!" Good news: we store the "last update timestamp" on the server. So we can do that really easily ;)
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