Opac doesn't support IE6 and IE7 (with js enabled). Are we aware of this ?
Hi to all, cheking if do o not update of JQuery plugin DataTables I find that now the Opac doesn't support IE6/IE7 with boostrap theme (the default theme now). In fact we use the plugin jstree, https://github.com/vakata/jstree/, that work only from IE8. Probably it work if you disable javascript but many features of Opac are based on javascript. For me it OK, IE6 and IE7 are only 3% of desktop browsers if we check wikipedia source, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers. But: -- Are we aware of this situation -- Is it OK ? Bye Zeno Tajoli -- Dr. Zeno Tajoli Soluzioni per la Ricerca Istituzionale - Automazione Biblioteche z.tajoli@cineca.it fax +39 02 2135520 CINECA - Sede operativa di Segrate
I find that now the Opac doesn't support IE6/IE7 with boostrap theme (the default theme now).
Specifically, that the jsTree plugin (http://jstree.com/) used by one page in the OPAC, opac-authoritiesdetail.pl doesn't work in IE6/IE7
In fact we use the plugin jstree, https://github.com/vakata/jstree/, that work only from IE8.
Actually we use an old version of the jsTree plugin: http://old.jstree.com/ "Currently supported browsers are: Internet Explorer 6+ * Mozilla Firefox 2+ Safari 3+ Opera 9+ Google Chrome" Sounds to me (pending actual testing) that we only need worry if we get around to upgrading jsTree. That said, a discussion of whether to support IE7 is worthwhile. -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
Hi to all,
That said, a discussion of whether to support IE7 is worthwhile.
to globaly understand the situation I checking JS libs to find where we are incompatible with IE6/IE7. In opac There not problem, the version of jstree used from Koha is compatible with IE6 In intranet [partial check] --jquery-ui.js 1.10.4, http://jqueryui.com/upgrade-guide/1.10/#removed-support-for-ie6 Removed support for IE6 IE6 usage has dropped to a low enough point that jQuery UI no longer finds it necessary to support. As of 1.10.0, some portions of jQuery UI may not work properly in IE6. If you need to continue to support IE6, use the latest jQuery UI 1.9 release. -- humanmsg.js 1.0, https://code.google.com/p/humanmsg/wiki/UsingHumaneMessages, Problems to use with IE6, it seems. Tommorow I will continue the check. Bye Zeno Tajoli -- Dr. Zeno Tajoli Soluzioni per la Ricerca Istituzionale - Automazione Biblioteche z.tajoli@cineca.it fax +39 02 2135520 CINECA - Sede operativa di Segrate
to globaly understand the situation I checking JS libs to find where we are incompatible with IE6/IE7.
Please don't continue to spend time checking whether we are compatible with IE6. We do not support IE6. I encourage others to state their opinion on whether we should support IE7. -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
Hi all In my opinion, since Microsoft don't support IE7 and also have ended support for windows XP which is what it runs on. We as a project should not put effort into it. As a support company we have had to support organisations who use dangerous and old proprietary software, but I don't think it's a burden we have to put on the project as a whole. Chris On 2 October 2014 10:02:47 am NZDT, Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
to globaly understand the situation I checking JS libs to find where we are incompatible with IE6/IE7.
Please don't continue to spend time checking whether we are compatible with IE6. We do not support IE6.
I encourage others to state their opinion on whether we should support IE7.
-- Owen
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Le 02/10/2014 00:04, Chris Cormack a écrit :
Hi all
In my opinion, since Microsoft don't support IE7 and also have ended support for windows XP which is what it runs on. We as a project should not put effort into it. +1
According to gstatcounter (http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-browser_version_partially_combined-ww-monthly...) , IE8 is 3.54% of the web. Supporting IE8 should not be a critical goal as well I think (run on Vista, and should have been upgraded by MS upgrades) -- Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner BibLibre, expert du logiciel libre pour les bibliothèques BibLibre, Open Source software for libraries expert
I'd agree with Paul there.. saying we could even drop support for IE8.. never mind IE6 and IE7 ;) Martin Renvoize Software Engineer, PTFS Europe Ltd Content Management and Library Solutions Skype: Landline: 0203 286 8685 Mobile: 07725985636 http://www.ptfs-europe.com On 2 October 2014 08:26, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain@biblibre.com> wrote:
Le 02/10/2014 00:04, Chris Cormack a écrit :
Hi all
In my opinion, since Microsoft don't support IE7 and also have ended support for windows XP which is what it runs on. We as a project should not put effort into it.
+1
According to gstatcounter (http://gs.statcounter.com/# all-browser_version_partially_combined-ww-monthly-201407-201409-bar) , IE8 is 3.54% of the web. Supporting IE8 should not be a critical goal as well I think (run on Vista, and should have been upgraded by MS upgrades)
-- Paul Poulain, Associé-gérant / co-owner BibLibre, expert du logiciel libre pour les bibliothèques BibLibre, Open Source software for libraries expert
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I think Chris makes a good point here. Working at a support company, I have to support organizations that use IE 7, but I don’t think we have to officially support IE 7 as a project. I don’t think it makes sense not to upgrade to newer versions of JS libraries just to maintain IE 7 support. However, I don’t necessarily appreciate criticism to patches I post that add IE 7 (or IE 8) support, when the code I target is written by us. In most cases, it’s simple feature detection with a few lines of code and comments stating the purpose and situation. In those cases, it doesn’t bother me if no one tests or QAs those patches. However, I post them because I figure other people are experiencing those same issues and I want to help out. I suppose you could argue that adding support in limited areas might just draw out the pain longer and reduce incentive to upgrade. That’s fair. If we don’t want to support IE 7 in any capacity at all, I’m happy to keep those patches entirely local. I’ll also reiterate what Owen said more recently: if you’re going to test Koha in Internet Explorer, it’s best to do it in Internet Explorer. This means doing it on a Windows box or using a Windows VM as provided by Microsoft. Using emulators/testers (especially browser based ones) will often give you false results. Even if you’re using the IE F12 dev tools, you’ll sometimes get incorrect results (depending on what the issue is). So if you want to check Koha’s performance in IE, I’d suggest downloading a VM and running it up in Virtualbox. David Cook Systems Librarian Prosentient Systems 72/330 Wattle St, Ultimo, NSW 2007 From: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cormack Sent: Thursday, 2 October 2014 8:04 AM To: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Opac doesn't support IE6 and IE7 (with js enabled). Are we aware of this ? Hi all In my opinion, since Microsoft don't support IE7 and also have ended support for windows XP which is what it runs on. We as a project should not put effort into it. As a support company we have had to support organisations who use dangerous and old proprietary software, but I don't think it's a burden we have to put on the project as a whole. Chris On 2 October 2014 10:02:47 am NZDT, Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org <mailto:oleonard@myacpl.org> > wrote: to globaly understand the situation I checking JS libs to find where we are incompatible with IE6/IE7. Please don't continue to spend time checking whether we are compatible with IE6. We do not support IE6. I encourage others to state their opinion on whether we should support IE7. -- Owen -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Hi Owen and all, Il 01/10/2014 23:02, Owen Leonard ha scritto:
to globaly understand the situation I checking JS libs to find where we are incompatible with IE6/IE7.
Please don't continue to spend time checking whether we are compatible with IE6. We do not support IE6.
I encourage others to state their opinion on whether we should support IE7.
In fact I missed to see that we use bootstrap 2.x in Opac and Intranet that is compatible with IE7 but not with IE6: -- http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18600914/bootstrap-2-or-bootstrap-3-for-i... -- http://bootstrapdocs.com/v1.1.0/docs/#about So the point is: "Should we support IE7 ?". The question for me rise from the update of DataTables jQuery plugin, bug 12986 <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12986> In Opac the plugin is used in the include datatables.inc that is present in many templates in the [% BLOCK jsinclude %] $ grep -r 'jquery.dataTables.min.js' * bootstrap/en/includes/datatables.inc:<script type="text/javascript" src="[% interface %]/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.dataTables.min.js"></script> $ grep -r 'datatables.inc' * en/modules/opac-basket.tt: [% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] en/modules/opac-detail.tt:[% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] en/modules/opac-full-serial-issues.tt:[% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] en/modules/opac-search-history.tt:[% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] en/modules/opac-suggestions.tt:[% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] en/modules/opac-tags.tt:[% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] en/modules/opac-topissues.tt:[% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] en/modules/opac-user.tt: [% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] en/modules/sco/sco-main.tt: [% INCLUDE 'datatables.inc' %] So if we do this update in Opac and in Intranet, we will have incompatiblies with IE7. For me is OK to drop support for IE7 in Opac and Intranet. For me it is accettable to drop IE7 only in Intranet and mantain it in Opac. Update in bug 12986 is necessary for Intranet (Acq) Bye Zeno Tajoli -- Dr. Zeno Tajoli Soluzioni per la Ricerca Istituzionale - Automazione Biblioteche z.tajoli@cineca.it fax +39 02 2135520 CINECA - Sede operativa di Segrate
Hi to all, Il 01/10/2014 23:02, Owen Leonard ha scritto:
I encourage others to state their opinion on whether we should support IE7. -- Owen
using IETester <http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage>, I take two screen shoot of Koha Opac (master from sandbox) with IE7 http://imgur.com/a/5Yz6B Cart link doesn't work at all, list link opens all window and in practice can not save. Basic graphic is ugly. Bye Zeno Tajoli -- Dr. Zeno Tajoli Soluzioni per la Ricerca Istituzionale - Automazione Biblioteche z.tajoli@cineca.it fax +39 02 2135520 CINECA - Sede operativa di Segrate
I take two screen shoot of Koha Opac (master from sandbox) with IE7 http://imgur.com/a/5Yz6B
Cart link doesn't work at all, list link opens all window and in practice can not save.
Testing in a virtual machine running IE7 on Vista I have no problem with the functionality of the Cart and Lists. Just a couple of screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/Bp9L0 I don't think IEtester results can be considered accurate. https://www.modern.ie/en-us/virtualization-tools#downloads -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
Greetings, I am for not supporting IE7. Goodness, we are at least to version 11 now. Why support something so old? People should be to Windows 7 at least by now, in my opinion. So IE 8 minimum is fine with me. GPML, Mark Tompsett
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