Hi there, I want to gather opinions about a possible small change in the way the Amazon covers are handled in the opac on the detailed view of a record. Currently we show the Amazon cover and link back to the product's page on Amazon's web site from the cover itself. Some librarians I talk to are uncomfortable with the idea that their public library will show a link to a (monopolistic (online-only (us-owned (insert-yr-own-fears-here)))) bookseller in such a prominent way : using the whole cover image as a link. At least some of them would be assuaged, I think, by a more discreet link between their opac and Amazon : removing the link from the image itself and providing it through a tiny text just below the image, saying "source : Amazon", might be a solution. See example at http://www.libfly.com/je-suis-une-legende-livre-25918.html What do you think? Nicolas -- Nicolas Morin Mobile: +33(0)633 19 11 36 http://www.biblibre.com
I agree - but I have another reason for not liking the cover image linking to Amazon. I hate that clicking on the book image takes you out of the OPAC with no warning. This can be confusing to some patrons - whereas if the link specifically said Amazon then it would be clear what's about to happen. Also, does the link have to go to Amazon US? Can't we set it up so that the users can pick their local Amazon? PS. I couldn't get that link to load .... --- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/ On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> wrote:
Hi there, I want to gather opinions about a possible small change in the way the Amazon covers are handled in the opac on the detailed view of a record. Currently we show the Amazon cover and link back to the product's page on Amazon's web site from the cover itself. Some librarians I talk to are uncomfortable with the idea that their public library will show a link to a (monopolistic (online-only (us-owned (insert-yr-own-fears-here)))) bookseller in such a prominent way : using the whole cover image as a link. At least some of them would be assuaged, I think, by a more discreet link between their opac and Amazon : removing the link from the image itself and providing it through a tiny text just below the image, saying "source : Amazon", might be a solution. See example at http://www.libfly.com/je-suis-une-legende-livre-25918.html What do you think? Nicolas -- Nicolas Morin Mobile: +33(0)633 19 11 36 http://www.biblibre.com _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha.org http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Nicole Engard <nicole.engard@liblime.com>wrote:
Also, does the link have to go to Amazon US? Can't we set it up so that the users can pick their local Amazon?
This is already established via the SysPref "AmazonLocale". I think we could go the route Nicolas suggests, and try to stay consistent by doing the same with other image sources, but for Baker & Taylor images it will not make any sense unless you link the image itself, because they insert fake "buttons" (that the user will click on) into the images themselves. That's part of the deal with them. --joe
Hi there, I want to gather opinions about a possible small change in the way the Amazon covers are handled in the opac on the detailed view of a record. Currently we show the Amazon cover and link back to the product's page on Amazon's web site from the cover itself. Some librarians I talk to are uncomfortable with the idea that their public library will show a link to a (monopolistic (online-only (us-owned (insert-yr-own-fears-here)))) bookseller in such a prominent way : using the whole cover image as a link. At least some of them would be assuaged, I think, by a more discreet link between their opac and Amazon : removing the link from the image itself and providing it through a tiny text just below the image, saying "source : Amazon", might be a solution. See example at http://www.libfly.com/je-suis-une-legende-livre-25918.html What do you think? Last I read the terms of use, Amazon required that you link back to
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> wrote: the specific item who's content you are using. My opinion is that if a library is uncomfortable with Amazon.com's business model for making images free, they should instead purchase a subscription to a service that provides images without the requirement to link back to the item. Josh -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE CEO migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
Joshua Ferraro a écrit :
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> wrote:
Hi there, I want to gather opinions about a possible small change in the way the Amazon covers are handled in the opac on the detailed view of a record. Currently we show the Amazon cover and link back to the product's page on Amazon's web site from the cover itself. Some librarians I talk to are uncomfortable with the idea that their public library will show a link to a (monopolistic (online-only (us-owned (insert-yr-own-fears-here)))) bookseller in such a prominent way : using the whole cover image as a link. At least some of them would be assuaged, I think, by a more discreet link between their opac and Amazon : removing the link from the image itself and providing it through a tiny text just below the image, saying "source : Amazon", might be a solution. See example at http://www.libfly.com/je-suis-une-legende-livre-25918.html What do you think?
Last I read the terms of use, Amazon required that you link back to the specific item who's content you are using.
nicolas just propose to remove the link back from image to put it on a small text just below the image. I don't think the terms of use specify "you link back to the specific item *on the image itself*", so it would still be OK, isn't it ?
My opinion is that if a library is uncomfortable with Amazon.com's business model for making images free, they should instead purchase a subscription to a service that provides images without the requirement to link back to the item.
/me won't enter this flamewar (at least here in France... just FYI : another provider in France do that. But to get an estimate of the cost, you must first send him the list of your isbns (to size how many images you'll use) + you cant' do a direct URL, you must provide the images from your server + you can't cache them definetly. Technically awful !) -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:54 PM, paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@biblibre.com> wrote:
Joshua Ferraro a écrit :
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> wrote:
At least some of them would be assuaged, I think, by a more discreet link between their opac and Amazon : removing the link from the image itself and providing it through a tiny text just below the image, saying "source : Amazon", might be a solution. See example at http://www.libfly.com/je-suis-une-legende-livre-25918.html What do you think?
Last I read the terms of use, Amazon required that you link back to the specific item who's content you are using.
nicolas just propose to remove the link back from image to put it on a small text just below the image. I don't think the terms of use specify "you link back to the specific item *on the image itself*", so it would still be OK, isn't it ?
That's right : in the example I gave, the link still is to the specific item we're using, it's just a link out of a text link saying "source : Amazon", rather than out of the image itself. And I think that still fulfills the requirements of Amazon's contract. Nicolas
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:54 PM, paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@biblibre.com> wrote:
Joshua Ferraro a écrit :
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com> wrote:
At least some of them would be assuaged, I think, by a more discreet link between their opac and Amazon : removing the link from the image itself and providing it through a tiny text just below the image, saying "source : Amazon", might be a solution. See example at http://www.libfly.com/je-suis-une-legende-livre-25918.html What do you think?
Last I read the terms of use, Amazon required that you link back to the specific item who's content you are using.
nicolas just propose to remove the link back from image to put it on a small text just below the image. I don't think the terms of use specify "you link back to the specific item *on the image itself*", so it would still be OK, isn't it ?
That's right : in the example I gave, the link still is to the specific item we're using, it's just a link out of a text link saying "source : Amazon", rather than out of the image itself. And I think that still fulfills the requirements of Amazon's contract. Nicolas Ahh, gotcha, I missunderstood. I'd have to review the amazon associates terms but I'd guess that's OK.
Josh -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE CEO migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
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