Built-in offline circulation interface
Does anyone use it? The one enabled by the AllowOfflineCirculation system preference. I don't think the core functionality of the feature has been touched since its original introduction and I'm concerned that it either doesn't work or is too fragile to be used in production. I'm not asking because I'm thinking of using it but because I'm concerned about us promising users that it works. Thanks, Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries (740) 737-6006 https://www.myacpl.org
Does anyone use it? The one enabled by the AllowOfflineCirculation system preference.
This question elicited a flood of zero responses, and I'm not sure what that means! In any case, I've looked at this issue again and discovered that the feature is broken in up-to-date browsers. It depends on a browser feature, applicationCache, which is obsolete: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/appcache-showing-uncached-or-disabled https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/6192449487634432 I'm reading that correctly, the "built-in" offline circulation tool will have to be rewritten. -- Owen
Hi Owen, Koha's offline circ capability is used quite extensively in India, often by users still on Windows 7 boxes (msft eoled Win7 in Jan 2020 iirc), to tide over temporary network / connectivity failure usually due to power outages. Personally I prefer using / implementing .koc file format uploads for offline syncs. Cheers -indranil On Fri, 15 Oct, 2021, 7:03 pm Owen Leonard, <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
Does anyone use it? The one enabled by the AllowOfflineCirculation system preference.
This question elicited a flood of zero responses, and I'm not sure what that means!
In any case, I've looked at this issue again and discovered that the feature is broken in up-to-date browsers. It depends on a browser feature, applicationCache, which is obsolete:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/appcache-showing-uncached-or-disabled https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/6192449487634432
I'm reading that correctly, the "built-in" offline circulation tool will have to be rewritten.
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often by users still on Windows 7 boxes (msft eoled Win7 in Jan 2020 iirc)
For those users there is a Windows application: https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-offline-circulation/releases/tag/v1... Is that a feasible alternative? -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries (740) 737-6006 https://www.myacpl.org
Yes, it is. -idg On Fri, 15 Oct, 2021, 7:26 pm Owen Leonard, <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
often by users still on Windows 7 boxes (msft eoled Win7 in Jan 2020 iirc)
For those users there is a Windows application:
https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-offline-circulation/releases/tag/v1...
Is that a feasible alternative?
-- Owen
-- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries (740) 737-6006 https://www.myacpl.org
Fwiw, we'd somehow missed that there was a built-in capability/ system preference. Always assumed the utility was our only option. This functionality is an important part of Koha's feature set, so +1 to always having at least one up-to-date option available. Cheers, Cab Vinton, Director Plaistow Public Library Plaistow, NH
The desktop application has been rocksolid for many years now! I’ve always shied away from the browser based I’ll find circulations simply because if something goes wrong, like the browser crashing and losing data or something, there’s no way to get that data back. The offline circulation desktop application writes everything to file as you perform actions so the data doesn’t get lost in the event of a crash. Kyle On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 8:12 AM Cab Vinton <bibliwho@gmail.com> wrote:
Fwiw, we'd somehow missed that there was a built-in capability/ system preference. Always assumed the utility was our only option.
This functionality is an important part of Koha's feature set, so +1 to always having at least one up-to-date option available.
Cheers,
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Does that mean that you actually have a lot of people using the desktop application? Interesting! David Cook Senior Software Engineer Prosentient Systems Suite 7.03 6a Glen St Milsons Point NSW 2061 Australia Office: 02 9212 0899 Online: 02 8005 0595 From: Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> On Behalf Of Kyle Hall Sent: Monday, 18 October 2021 9:49 AM To: Cab Vinton <bibliwho@gmail.com> Cc: Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Built-in offline circulation interface The desktop application has been rocksolid for many years now! I’ve always shied away from the browser based I’ll find circulations simply because if something goes wrong, like the browser crashing and losing data or something, there’s no way to get that data back. The offline circulation desktop application writes everything to file as you perform actions so the data doesn’t get lost in the event of a crash. Kyle On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 8:12 AM Cab Vinton <bibliwho@gmail.com <mailto:bibliwho@gmail.com> > wrote: Fwiw, we'd somehow missed that there was a built-in capability/ system preference. Always assumed the utility was our only option. This functionality is an important part of Koha's feature set, so +1 to always having at least one up-to-date option available. Cheers, Cab Vinton, Director Plaistow Public Library Plaistow, NH _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org <mailto:Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : https://www.koha-community.org/ git : https://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : https://bugs.koha-community.org/ -- --- http://www.kylehall.info ByWater Solutions ( http://bywatersolutions.com ) Meadville Public Library ( http://www.meadvillelibrary.org ) Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org )
Indeed! I know many ByWater partners use the desktop application. I'd go so far to say I'm not aware of any ByWater partners using the FF plugin or the HTML5 version at this time. Kyle --- http://www.kylehall.info ByWater Solutions ( http://bywatersolutions.com ) Meadville Public Library ( http://www.meadvillelibrary.org ) Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org ) On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 8:21 PM <dcook@prosentient.com.au> wrote:
Does that mean that you actually have a lot of people using the desktop application? Interesting!
David Cook
Senior Software Engineer
Prosentient Systems
Suite 7.03
6a Glen St
Milsons Point NSW 2061
Australia
Office: 02 9212 0899
Online: 02 8005 0595
*From:* Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> *On Behalf Of *Kyle Hall *Sent:* Monday, 18 October 2021 9:49 AM *To:* Cab Vinton <bibliwho@gmail.com> *Cc:* Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> *Subject:* Re: [Koha-devel] Built-in offline circulation interface
The desktop application has been rocksolid for many years now! I’ve always shied away from the browser based I’ll find circulations simply because if something goes wrong, like the browser crashing and losing data or something, there’s no way to get that data back. The offline circulation desktop application writes everything to file as you perform actions so the data doesn’t get lost in the event of a crash.
Kyle
On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 8:12 AM Cab Vinton <bibliwho@gmail.com> wrote:
Fwiw, we'd somehow missed that there was a built-in capability/ system preference. Always assumed the utility was our only option.
This functionality is an important part of Koha's feature set, so +1 to always having at least one up-to-date option available.
Cheers,
Cab Vinton, Director Plaistow Public Library Plaistow, NH _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : https://www.koha-community.org/ git : https://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : https://bugs.koha-community.org/
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Desktop application has gotten us out of a couple of tight spots so we could still operate as a lending library while we had a complete loss of all things internet. Wendy Sharkey Head of Circulation/ Cataloging and IT Bennington Free Library 101 Silver Street Bennington, VT 05201 (802) 442-9051 On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 2:15 PM Kyle Hall <kyle.m.hall@gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed! I know many ByWater partners use the desktop application. I'd go so far to say I'm not aware of any ByWater partners using the FF plugin or the HTML5 version at this time.
Kyle
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On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 8:21 PM <dcook@prosentient.com.au> wrote:
Does that mean that you actually have a lot of people using the desktop application? Interesting!
David Cook
Senior Software Engineer
Prosentient Systems
Suite 7.03
6a Glen St
Milsons Point NSW 2061
Australia
Office: 02 9212 0899
Online: 02 8005 0595
*From:* Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> *On Behalf Of *Kyle Hall *Sent:* Monday, 18 October 2021 9:49 AM *To:* Cab Vinton <bibliwho@gmail.com> *Cc:* Koha Devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> *Subject:* Re: [Koha-devel] Built-in offline circulation interface
The desktop application has been rocksolid for many years now! I’ve always shied away from the browser based I’ll find circulations simply because if something goes wrong, like the browser crashing and losing data or something, there’s no way to get that data back. The offline circulation desktop application writes everything to file as you perform actions so the data doesn’t get lost in the event of a crash.
Kyle
On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 8:12 AM Cab Vinton <bibliwho@gmail.com> wrote:
Fwiw, we'd somehow missed that there was a built-in capability/ system preference. Always assumed the utility was our only option.
This functionality is an important part of Koha's feature set, so +1 to always having at least one up-to-date option available.
Cheers,
Cab Vinton, Director Plaistow Public Library Plaistow, NH _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org https://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : https://www.koha-community.org/ git : https://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : https://bugs.koha-community.org/
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