[Koha-devel] Packing needs - status to add to bugzilla and the dashboard?

Wed Mar 9 19:56:25 CET 2016

2016-03-09 15:40 GMT-03:00 Chris Cormack <chrisc at catalyst.net.nz>:

> Lemme just quickly jump in with a "oh hells no"
>

Hehe. I agree 100%.

>
> I don't want to be maintaining and watching security updates for 150+ Perl
> packages. We all have enough work please let's not make more rods for our
> back
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 10 March 2016 7:35:31 am NZDT, Kyle Hall <kyle.m.hall at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Paul! That raises an interesting question! That question being,
>> should we be including Pure Perl libraries in our code base ( in some cases
>> ). Our layout is a bit odd where we have our scripts and libraries sharing
>> the same directory. In most projects we'd see our libraries in a "lib"
>> directory. However, that is no technical reasons we couldn't include
>> MARC::Frobnicate in the Koha codebase itself.
>>
>> Pro: If the version of the library we use works, we know it will continue
>> to work and will not be subject to regressions in newer versions
>> Con: We will need to update our libraries periodically
>>
>> In essence, this is exactly what we do with our JavaScript libraries such
>> as jQuery and DataTables.
>>
>> Kyle
>>
>> http://www.kylehall.info
>> ByWater Solutions ( <http://www.kylehall.info>http://bywatersolutions.com
>> )
>> Meadville Public Library ( http://www.meadvillelibrary.org )
>> Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org )
>> Mill Run Technology Solutions ( http://millruntech.com )
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Paul A <paul.a at navalmarinearchive.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At 07:42 AM 3/9/2016 -0500, Kyle Hall wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, are you saying any newly packaged libraries *must* make it in to
>>> Debian? Can we not host our own packaged libraries on our apt server? Why
>>> must packages meet the Debian requirements?
>>> This seems like it's adding yet another barrier to entry for new Koha
>>> developers. Now we all need to be Debian package maintainers as well?
>>> It seems like we're taking away one of the most powerful features of
>>> Perl, it's extensive library of available modules.
>>>
>>>
>>> One of Koha's strengths certainly was, and most probably still is, the
>>> ability for an admin to be able to aptitude/apt-get (even yum) dependencies
>>> that conform to her o/s. We used to publish "warnings" about using CPAN.
>>> Debian trickles down to Ubuntu -- with a possible time-lag -- and these two
>>> o/s are perhaps the most used by Koha-based libraries.
>>>
>>> If Koha needs to use a custom *library* and there is reticence to put it
>>> through the Debian/Ubuntu loop, surely the proper solution is to put it
>>> into the Koha environment (package and tarball) where it remains
>>> Koha-specific and the remainder of the o/s, including Perl, stays unchanged
>>> without potential repercussions on other installed applications/progammes.
>>>
>>> This might well also facilitate version control -- each Koha update has
>>> the correct libraries in /usr/share/koha/bin, /usr/share/koha/lib/C4,
>>> wherever, but not in /usr/lib/perl* (or /usr/bin/perl) (with or without
>>> /local/) available to the entire o/s.
>>>
>>> This removes any "barrier to entry for new Koha developers", might ease
>>> proper installation/upgrade operations and has the potential to obviate
>>> obscure security concerns.
>>>
>>> Best -- Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> http://www.kylehall.info
>>> ByWater Solutions ( http://bywatersolutions.com )
>>> Meadville Public Library ( http://www.meadvillelibrary.org )
>>> Crawford County Federated Library System ( http://www.ccfls.org )
>>> Mill Run Technology Solutions ( http://millruntech.com )
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Galen Charlton <gmc at esilibrary.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Brendan Gallagher <
>>> info at bywatersolutions.com> wrote:
>>> Do we have a defined role description of responsibility of the Packaging
>>> Manager?Â (I've only read Robin's posts to the mailing list before - is
>>> that it?)
>>>
>>>
>>> We do now, seeded with my view of the position:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Project_roles#Packaging_managerÂ
>>>
>>> On a side note, the overall page is new; I'm figuring that it might be a
>>> useful exercise to outline minimum role responsibilities for all of the
>>> named project positions.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Galen
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