[Koha-devel] Carrots or sticks

Thu Jul 27 03:31:10 CEST 2017

Hi
 I am fairly new to the community, and I would say my "carrot" is really a
desire to learn new things, which is an obsession of mine.  So, the
drawback I guess is I am still learning, so not perfect at working things
out, but I am persistent and self motivated.

I think doing something for the intrinsic is often the best motivator, for
me at least...I just need to ramp up to being able to do some of the moves
needed.

Michael Cabus

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 9:24 PM, David Cook <dcook at prosentient.com.au>
wrote:

> Personally, I find neither the carrot nor the stick to be motivating.
> While I don’t have a great link to point to at the moment, the following
> may do for now: http://coaching-journey.com/carrot-and-stick-intrinsic-
> extrinsic-motivation/
>
>
>
> Autonomy, mastery, and purpose are listed as “three essential elements of
> motivation”, and I think that probably describes my motivation pretty well,
> especially at work. With autonomy, I’m given the choice to make my own
> priorities (for the most part) and carry out my own labour in the pursuit
> of my own goals. With mastery, I’m on a constant quest to improve my own
> skills and I do so by building enhancements and fixing bugs. With purpose,
> I feel a desire to contribute to a group or community for the sake of our
> shared experience and camaraderie.
>
>
>
> I think, in the past, the Koha community has appealed to this sense of
> purpose for myself and others. We’ll sacrifice ourselves and our own work
> and time for the betterment of the community. However, I’m not sure that’s
> always sustainable, and I think that’s probably contributed to a few people
> burning out over the years. I know if I tried to contribute now as much as
> I did a couple of years ago, I’d just burn out. I have more
> responsibilities and paid work to do now, so I can’t justify doing unpaid
> work in that same time. If I try to sacrifice my personal life for that
> unpaid work, then I’m sacrificing my family and that’s just not going to
> happen. No to workaholism for me. So maybe I’m a bit disillusioned when it
> comes to open source communities. Or maybe I realise that we’re all just
> human and have different things going on in our lives at any given time. I
> still believe in the community, but as a community of humans.
>
>
>
> I’ve said before that I think Koha could use more cohesion in terms of
> pushing patches. That is, rather than pushing everything that comes
> through, that patches could be pushed based on some end goals like
> improving stability or adding support for X protocol or adding Y feature.
> However, I think it was Kyle Hall that said part of the great thing about
> Koha is that everyone is free to work on whatever they want (ie they have
> autonomy). Whatever their interest may be or wherever their skills may be.
> You can’t necessarily force people to do what you want them to do. Not if
> you want them to be motivated at least. You can try to coerce them using
> extrinsic rewards (like money or recognition), but that’s only ever going
> to get you so far I think.
>
>
>
> That said… I think it’s fair that you ‘do not plan to push anything “big”
> until we have a solution’. If I were RM, I would probably impose a policy
> where bug fixes are given priority and enhancements come last in the queue,
> and even then bug fixes would be ranked in terms of severity. Stability is
> one of my top priorities as a developer and manager of my local Koha
> instances.
>
>
>
> So what motivates me to do paid support? Typically, I prioritize based on
> need/severity of bugs. I like to clear the decks of bugs or things
> affecting stability. After that, it depends on whether my boss requests
> that I do something, whether I can finish a few small tasks rather than
> getting part way through one big task, whether I will need to wait for
> someone else after doing some work, etc. There’s lots of factors.
>
>
>
> What motivates me to do unpaid support? If it’s on IRC or the listserv, I
> share advice based on autonomy/mastery. That is, if I know the answer, I’ll
> generally share it. If it’s testing a bug, I probably will only test it if
> it’s relating to something that impacts me locally right now. Unless it’s
> something that will impact me in the future and I will do myself a favour
> by acting now. I may also test the bug if it’s something I’m genuinely
> interested in personally (ie I exercise my autonomy). If it’s in terms of
> contributing patches… I typically write patches locally and then upstream
> them. But these generally don’t tend to be for “big red warning button”
> type bugs.
>
>
>
> So how do you motivate people to work on things that don’t appeal to their
> sense of autonomy, mastery, or purpose? I have no idea. Clearly, Jonathan,
> you’ve observed that there are a number of bugs that people aren’t working
> on, even though they are very important. I think maybe you’re already down
> the right path with shutting down the shop until people work on the
> important stuff. While autonomy, mastery, and purpose are great… there
> comes a time when some things just need to get done.
>
>
>
> But… as a developer who doesn’t contribute very often these days, shutting
> down the shop won’t really affect me in the short-term. I’ll just continue
> doing my local paid work oblivious to the Koha community train stopping. So
> I suppose you’d need to identify the people who would be affected… and tell
> them that nothing is going to be pushed until they do some work on critical
> immediate issues.
>
>
>
> I suppose that could cause regular contributors to stop contributing, but…
> if regular contributors are your only real workforce, I’m not sure what
> other options you have. Pot holes need to be filled, cracked glass needs to
> be replaced.
>
>
>
> Who is responsible for Koha? As RM, maybe fixing the critical bugs should
> fall to you. But I suppose your role is about “releases” rather than
> development per se. Is there anyone on the release team who should be
> responsible for critical fixes? Maybe we need something like the “DSpace
> Committers” (http://www.dspace.org/contributors). Recently, I’ve done a
> bit of work with Archivematica, and they’re backed by the company
> Artefactual Systems. While it’s an open source project and they take
> community contributions, they have paid staff who are ultimately
> responsible for the project. Of course, I think everyone would want to
> avoid another Liblime situation, so maybe being backed by a single company
> isn’t the great idea. But having a core committer group could be a good
> idea. If you’re still interested in extrinsic rewards, you could provide
> priority to patches written by core committers. Folk like me would be code
> contributors, but they wouldn’t be core committers. We don’t produce a
> frequent enough volume to be core. But there are some people who do. Maybe
> those core contributors should be offered more responsibility in exchange
> for prioritization of their work. I suppose that’s going back to the carrot
> :p. Likewise, in terms of the stick, if core contributors aren’t clearing
> critical bugs, maybe there does need to be a natural consequence[0]. With
> that consequence being that nothing gets pushed until those critical bugs
> are resolved.
>
>
>
> I don’t know the answer. This is just my understanding/analysis of the
> situation. If you do gather a team of core committers, you may also find it
> easier to manage these situations. Instead of pinging all Koha developers,
> you could ping the core Koha developers. That being said… I’m glad you did
> ping all of us in regards to Bug 18966 and ancestors, since that is a bug
> that really does motivate me to contribute, even as an irregular code
> contributor.
>
>
>
> So I was just writing a criticism of http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
> when I noticed that clicking on “Overall bug tracker health status: 1
> blockers 3 criticals, 18 majors.” Brings up information about those bugs!
> Does everyone know that works that way? I’d suggest adding some clues to
> users that they can expand that section! At a glance, I see Bug 18987, and
> I think I know what the problem is and now I’m keen to see the solution.
> I’m going to go click on it and check it out!
>
>
>
> [0] http://www.webmd.com/parenting/natural-and-logical-
> consequences-for-behavior
>
>
>
> David Cook
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> *From:* koha-devel-bounces at lists.koha-community.org [mailto:
> koha-devel-bounces at lists.koha-community.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonathan
> Druart
> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 July 2017 6:03 AM
> *To:* koha-devel at lists.koha-community.org
> *Subject:* [Koha-devel] Carrots or sticks
>
>
>
> Hi devs,
>
> There is something I tried to think about at the beginning of the release
> cycle but put it aside as I did not manage to formulate it in a clear way.
> I would like not to start a "carrot or stick approach", but would prefer a
> "only carrots on the stick" approach :)
> First I was thinking about it more for new contributors, but that could be
> extended to regular contributors as well.
>
> I have opened a card on the kanban and listed the few ideas I wrote down 2
> months ago. Feel free to continue the list if you like the idea.
>
> https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-rm-1711/us/130
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jonathan
>
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