From karamqubsi at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 09:52:20 2012
From: karamqubsi at gmail.com (Karam Qubsi)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:52:20 +0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] What is the meaning ...
Message-ID: <CAML=htYLtGuQsPHjOeM5s=6F_+R+D2npypyXXArBWLDq1=esCQ@mail.gmail.com>

hi
What is the meaning ( in English) of these strings :
Rep.price
http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/38/translate.html?unit=3107765

and
Total tax exc.
http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/38/ar-Arab-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po/translate/?unit=3109253


Thanks a lot :)


-- 
Karam Qubsi
Koha Arab Translating Team
http://koha.wikibrary.org/
Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
http://wikibrary.org
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From karamqubsi at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 09:54:21 2012
From: karamqubsi at gmail.com (Karam Qubsi)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 10:54:21 +0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] What is the meaning ...
In-Reply-To: <CAML=htYLtGuQsPHjOeM5s=6F_+R+D2npypyXXArBWLDq1=esCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML=htYLtGuQsPHjOeM5s=6F_+R+D2npypyXXArBWLDq1=esCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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and
Total tax inc.
http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/38/ar-Arab-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po/translate/?unit=3109254


On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Karam Qubsi <karamqubsi at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi
> What is the meaning ( in English) of these strings :
> Rep.price
> http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/38/translate.html?unit=3107765
>
> and
> Total tax exc.
>
> http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/38/ar-Arab-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po/translate/?unit=3109253
>
>
> Thanks a lot :)
>
>
> --
> Karam Qubsi
> Koha Arab Translating Team
> http://koha.wikibrary.org/
> Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
> http://wikibrary.org
>
>


-- 
Karam Qubsi
Koha Arab Translating Team
http://koha.wikibrary.org/
Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
http://wikibrary.org
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From samuel.desseaux at ecp.fr  Wed Jul  4 10:04:25 2012
From: samuel.desseaux at ecp.fr (Samuel desseaux)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 10:04:25 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] What is the meaning ...
In-Reply-To: <CAML=htYLtGuQsPHjOeM5s=6F_+R+D2npypyXXArBWLDq1=esCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML=htYLtGuQsPHjOeM5s=6F_+R+D2npypyXXArBWLDq1=esCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FF3F909.20603@ecp.fr>

Hi Karam!

Le 04/07/2012 09:52, Karam Qubsi a ?crit :
> hi
> What is the meaning ( in English) of these strings :
> Rep.price
> http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/38/translate.html?unit=3107765

 >i would say representative price (but it's a bit light). Could you 
give an example?
>
> and
> Total tax exc.
> http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/38/ar-Arab-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po/translate/?unit=3109253

 >i would say total without taxes.
>
>
> Thanks a lot :)
>
>
> -- 
> Karam Qubsi
> Koha Arab Translating Team
> http://koha.wikibrary.org/
> Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
> http://wikibrary.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Koha-translate mailing list
> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
> website: www.koha-community.org
> git: git.koha-community.org
> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org

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From karamqubsi at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 06:05:12 2012
From: karamqubsi at gmail.com (Karam Qubsi)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:05:12 +0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translating Arabic Koha 3.8.2 (Complete).
Message-ID: <CAML=htbG6O3uF-skpdUUwLsJd+3FapSRztF3KSt8XiJG-NOv3w@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning ,
We are pleased to announce you that our team has finish translating all the
strings in Arabic koha 3.8.2

and the project is now 100% complete .

Thanks for you all for your helps :)  to complete this work
and thanks for all of our translators they worked very hard to achieve this
project

?We are now planing to start working in the manuals and make it all in
Arabic and available online like the English Version.


Best wishes  ^_^


-- 
Karam Qubsi
Koha Arab Translating Team
http://koha.wikibrary.org/
Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
http://wikibrary.org
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From M.de.Rooy at rijksmuseum.nl  Mon Jul  9 12:20:47 2012
From: M.de.Rooy at rijksmuseum.nl (Marcel de Rooy)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:20:47 +0000
Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
In-Reply-To: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAEC3@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
References: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAEC3@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
Message-ID: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF2D@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>

Old mailing list :)

Van: koha-translate-bounces+m.de.rooy=rijksmuseum.nl at nongnu.org [mailto:koha-translate-bounces+m.de.rooy=rijksmuseum.nl at nongnu.org] Namens Marcel de Rooy
Verzonden: maandag 9 juli 2012 11:44
Aan: koha-translate (koha-translate at nongnu.org)
Onderwerp: [Koha-translate] Dumb translating questions?

Hi,

Just some dumb questions from someone, not working too much on Pootle and translation ;)


1)     I notice a new contributor in our Dutch nl-NL. Is there a way to contact/e-mail another Pootle user?  If I see that someone made say 5 contributions, can I see which 5 expressions were changed?


2)     Somehow we have a lot of errors with %s in our translation. Sometimes the translators removed them or miscounted. Personally, I think that it is quite strange that you should translate lots of expressions containing only %s's. I am thinking now of removing such expressions from the local po file to be run on Koha. Did someone of you already have experience in that regard?
Note that I also have errors on such ones, like:
Creating ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/nl-NL//modules/opac-basket.tt...
: Completely confused parametrizing -- msgid:
%s %s %s%s%s%s %s %s%s %

Thanks,

Marcel

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From Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de  Mon Jul  9 13:36:36 2012
From: Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de (Fischer, Katrin)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:36:36 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
In-Reply-To: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF2D@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
References: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAEC3@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF2D@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
Message-ID: <028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221DB73@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>

Hi Marcel,

I think there is currently no way to contact another user ? or at least none I am aware of. 

I would not remove them, because they will come back with your next translation update. You could mark those strings as fuzzy or just copy them from the English version. 
I think it would be very hard to get rid of them on Pootle, because it's hard to write a script that parses every bit of our templates correctly. After the switch to TT more %s were introduced into the po files. While this means you have to be more careful when translating, it also adds more context and less sentences are torn apart into smaller pieces. You can also carefully construct your sentences a bit different than the English version by moving the %s around a bit, but keeping them in same sequence.

%s %s %s%s%s%s %s %s%s %
Perhaps a missing s at the end of the string?

Katrin


From: koha-translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Marcel de Rooy
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:21 PM
To: koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?

Old mailing list ?

Van: koha-translate-bounces+m.de.rooy=rijksmuseum.nl at nongnu.org [mailto:koha-translate-bounces+m.de.rooy=rijksmuseum.nl at nongnu.org] Namens Marcel de Rooy
Verzonden: maandag 9 juli 2012 11:44
Aan: koha-translate (koha-translate at nongnu.org)
Onderwerp: [Koha-translate] Dumb translating questions?

Hi,

Just some dumb questions from someone, not working too much on Pootle and translation ;)

1) I notice a new contributor in our Dutch nl-NL. Is there a way to contact/e-mail another Pootle user? ?If I see that someone made say 5 contributions, can I see which 5 expressions were changed? 

2) Somehow we have a lot of errors with %s in our translation. Sometimes the translators removed them or miscounted. Personally, I think that it is quite strange that you should translate lots of expressions containing only %s?s. I am thinking now of removing such expressions from the local po file to be run on Koha. Did someone of you already have experience in that regard?? 
Note that I also have errors on such ones, like: 
Creating ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/nl-NL//modules/opac-basket.tt...
: Completely confused parametrizing -- msgid:
%s %s %s%s%s%s %s %s%s %

Thanks,

Marcel


From M.de.Rooy at rijksmuseum.nl  Mon Jul  9 13:52:24 2012
From: M.de.Rooy at rijksmuseum.nl (Marcel de Rooy)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:52:24 +0000
Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
In-Reply-To: <028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221DB73@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>
References: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAEC3@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF2D@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221DB73@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>
Message-ID: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF9B@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>

Hi Katrin,
> I think there is currently no way to contact another user ? or at least none I am aware of.
Too bad.

>I would not remove them, because they will come back with your next translation update.
I will not do that in Pootle. But it is faster to do it locally with a script than manually correcting them in Pootle... 

> Perhaps a missing s at the end of the string?
It is strange, but only in the error message, not in the po file.

Thanks,
Marcel

From samuel.desseaux at ecp.fr  Mon Jul  9 13:58:05 2012
From: samuel.desseaux at ecp.fr (Samuel Desseaux)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:58:05 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
In-Reply-To: <028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221DB73@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>
References: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAEC3@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF2D@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221DB73@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>
Message-ID: <4FFAC74D.3050808@ecp.fr>

Hi Marcel,

I go in the same way and confirm that you can't contact another user.

Is it a big problem (for you and others)? Anyway, we have the list but, 
maybe it's not enough. I 'd like your opinion.


samuel



Le 09/07/2012 13:36, Fischer, Katrin a ?crit :
> Hi Marcel,
>
> I think there is currently no way to contact another user ? or at least none I am aware of.
>
> I would not remove them, because they will come back with your next translation update. You could mark those strings as fuzzy or just copy them from the English version.
> I think it would be very hard to get rid of them on Pootle, because it's hard to write a script that parses every bit of our templates correctly. After the switch to TT more %s were introduced into the po files. While this means you have to be more careful when translating, it also adds more context and less sentences are torn apart into smaller pieces. You can also carefully construct your sentences a bit different than the English version by moving the %s around a bit, but keeping them in same sequence.
>
> %s %s %s%s%s%s %s %s%s %
> Perhaps a missing s at the end of the string?
>
> Katrin
>
>
> From: koha-translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Marcel de Rooy
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 12:21 PM
> To: koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
>
> Old mailing list ?
>
> Van: koha-translate-bounces+m.de.rooy=rijksmuseum.nl at nongnu.org [mailto:koha-translate-bounces+m.de.rooy=rijksmuseum.nl at nongnu.org] Namens Marcel de Rooy
> Verzonden: maandag 9 juli 2012 11:44
> Aan: koha-translate (koha-translate at nongnu.org)
> Onderwerp: [Koha-translate] Dumb translating questions?
>
> Hi,
>
> Just some dumb questions from someone, not working too much on Pootle and translation ;)
>
> 1) I notice a new contributor in our Dutch nl-NL. Is there a way to contact/e-mail another Pootle user?  If I see that someone made say 5 contributions, can I see which 5 expressions were changed?
>
> 2) Somehow we have a lot of errors with %s in our translation. Sometimes the translators removed them or miscounted. Personally, I think that it is quite strange that you should translate lots of expressions containing only %s?s. I am thinking now of removing such expressions from the local po file to be run on Koha. Did someone of you already have experience in that regard? 
> Note that I also have errors on such ones, like:
> Creating ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/nl-NL//modules/opac-basket.tt...
> : Completely confused parametrizing -- msgid:
> %s %s %s%s%s%s %s %s%s %
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marcel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Koha-translate mailing list
> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
> website: www.koha-community.org
> git: git.koha-community.org
> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org

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From Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de  Mon Jul  9 14:27:11 2012
From: Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de (Fischer, Katrin)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:27:11 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
In-Reply-To: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF9B@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
References: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAEC3@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF2D@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
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Message-ID: <028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221DB9A@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>

Hi Marcel,

I use Podedit for testing po files before releases. I locate the errors and search for the strings in Pootle to correct them there. I think you could also do it in Poedit and upload your corrected files. My thinking is, that this way you won't run into the same errors again and again.

Hope that is helpful,

Katrin 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcel de Rooy [mailto:M.de.Rooy at rijksmuseum.nl]
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:52 PM
> To: Fischer, Katrin; koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> Subject: RE: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
> 
> Hi Katrin,
> > I think there is currently no way to contact another user ? or at
> least none I am aware of.
> Too bad.
> 
> >I would not remove them, because they will come back with your next
> translation update.
> I will not do that in Pootle. But it is faster to do it locally with a
> script than manually correcting them in Pootle...
> 
> > Perhaps a missing s at the end of the string?
> It is strange, but only in the error message, not in the po file.
> 
> Thanks,
> Marcel

From M.de.Rooy at rijksmuseum.nl  Mon Jul  9 14:49:44 2012
From: M.de.Rooy at rijksmuseum.nl (Marcel de Rooy)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:49:44 +0000
Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
In-Reply-To: <4FFAC74D.3050808@ecp.fr>
References: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAEC3@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF2D@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221DB73@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>
	<4FFAC74D.3050808@ecp.fr>
Message-ID: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAB06F@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>

Hi Samuel, 

> I go in the same way and confirm that you can't contact another user.
> Is it a big problem (for you and others)? Anyway, we have the list but, maybe it's not enough. I 'd like your opinion.

I think that it should be possible to see who is working on a translation (and even who changed or suggested a line change). As I understand it now, you can quite anonymously create an account and change existing translations without even being contacted by those who informally form the translation team of that language already.
To improve translation and even to protect it (from unaware or malicious changes), it would be helpful to see at least an email address. Note that this email address is in the database, because you need to enter one to activate your login.

Marcel


From f.demians at tamil.fr  Mon Jul  9 15:00:08 2012
From: f.demians at tamil.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Demians?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:00:08 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] FW: Dumb translating questions?
In-Reply-To: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAB06F@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
References: <809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAEC3@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAAF2D@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
	<028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221DB73@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>
	<4FFAC74D.3050808@ecp.fr>
	<809BE39CD64BFD4EB9036172EBCCFA310DFAB06F@S-MAIL-1B.rijksmuseum.intra>
Message-ID: <4FFAD5D8.3070108@tamil.fr>

 > I think that it should be possible to see who is working on a
 > translation (and even who changed or suggested a line change). As I
 > understand it now, you can quite anonymously create an account and
 > change existing translations without even being contacted by those who
 > informally form the translation team of that language already.

You can register yourself on Pootle. There is no validation. And you can
start doing *suggestions*. You can't add/modify text, just do
suggestions. After that, someone with admin permission on the language
project can validate those suggestions.

 > To improve translation and even to protect it (from unaware or
 > malicious changes), it would be helpful to see at least an email
 > address. Note that this email address is in the database, because you
 > need to enter one to activate your login.

You can see the username of the person suggesting a translation. You
don't have his/her email address. But the Koha translation team (Katrin,
Samuel, and myself) can give you a username email address. Just ask!

Kind regards,
-- 
Fr?d?ric DEMIANS
http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html

From koha4arab at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 19:54:36 2012
From: koha4arab at gmail.com (kouider bounama)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:54:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translating Arabic Koha 3.8.2 (Complete).
In-Reply-To: <CAML=htbG6O3uF-skpdUUwLsJd+3FapSRztF3KSt8XiJG-NOv3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML=htbG6O3uF-skpdUUwLsJd+3FapSRztF3KSt8XiJG-NOv3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1341856476244-5719067.post@n5.nabble.com>

Great job  for  koha arabic team
??? ???? ????? ???? ??????

--
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From nengard at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 16:21:04 2012
From: nengard at gmail.com (Nicole Engard)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 10:21:04 -0400
Subject: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
In-Reply-To: <CAML=htYZ+4ADFJYq2BqMj4NhbyguqYdbpAmbOzsZiGHcc4bZSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML=hta58XAHaB2eEhpUEfbRHPT1Rm9TXx-=XO7vPLDyMBOLLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC0K6VFXzfzGhgBg0JFZy0gA99dp8=6dF0EzP-tfBQ9qVn2UZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC0K6VEYFw5zu5L7o8nfOnfKg8a2E9qFEKfgEHyq2dncR8b8XQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't know anything about po - all I know is that the manual is in
Docbook and when I push changes to it those are converted to HTML with
a script on the server for display. If another set up is necessary,
we'll need to discuss hat that requires.

For me the best place to start in the 3.8 manual and submit patches to
the docbook file to me via this list.  Then once you have the 3.8
manual translated you can use that as the base for the 3.10 manual (at
least that's what I do).

Nicole

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Karam Qubsi <karamqubsi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Thanks Nicole
> I test it locally and it looks good , and i found the way to convert it to
> html :) (and to po)
>
> but I'm puzzled a little
>
> where is the best to start ?
> in translating the 3.8 manual ( because it is maybe stable more than 3.10)
>
> or work in 3.10 to make the next koha version full in Arabic (manuals and
> system)
>
> so please advice .
>
> and one more point , I've found a tool that convert (docbook) format to po
> and we can translate it from there
>
> it is more easy to translate
>
> If there is flaws in this solution please let me know.
>
>  the attached file is the po generated from the manaul.xml (for 3.10)
> and it could be  re convert to xml after translation
>
> I used the gnome-doc-utils
> https://live.gnome.org/GnomeDocUtils/
>
> "It includes xml2po tool which makes it easier to translate and keep up to
> date translations of documentation"
>
> Hi Fr?d?ric :)
>
> Can we use the Pootle Server to translate manuals ? as a new project (not
> just for arabic )
>
> I think to make koha more translatable we need to provide easy way to
> translate the system and the manuals
> I think the translator who used to translate in Pootle will find this more
> easier to translate the documentation
>
> I wish you all happy times
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Here's how it converted in 3.2
>> (http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/ar/) does that look right? If so
>> then your 3.8 manual should be A-OK. If you need to see the 3.2 manual
>> it's in git.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I need to check with someone about the script we use to convert XML to
>> > HTML ... I don't know the way it works or if it will work for your
>> > purposes. If anyone else on the list knows the answer I'd love to hear
>> > it.
>> >
>> > Nicole
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Karam Qubsi <karamqubsi at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Hi
>> >> first I'm so sorry if I bother you with my  questions.
>> >>
>> >> I have try to translate some parts in the manual of koha 3.8 , and I
>> >> finish
>> >> editing some section in the first chapter
>> >>
>> >> 1. Administration
>> >> 1. Global System Preferences
>> >> 1.1. Acquisitions 100%
>> >> 1.2. Administration   20%
>> >>
>> >> with images from the English version  ( I will later update images from
>> >> the
>> >> Arabic version )
>> >>
>> >> so , I want to test my work in the web , and see if my work  will look
>> >> good
>> >> in the manual web site
>> >>
>> >> and I don't have experience about if I have to do some thing with my
>> >> xml
>> >> file to make the html result goes from right to left , or this will be
>> >> done
>> >> automatically ?
>> >>
>> >> and I want to ask , If I have to start work in the koha 3.10 (better )
>> >> or
>> >> working in koha 3.8 now (as what I'm doing) , and in the future we can
>> >> update the changes and make it fit the koha 3.10 .
>> >>
>> >> I wish you will batch my file as soon ad you can to see it
>> >>
>> >> i'm sorry if i have to do something else to do batches so please guide
>> >> me to
>> >> the correct way
>> >>
>> >> I know that not every one can send batches using git , so I attach the
>> >> file
>> >> here :)
>> >>
>> >> and thanks for your helps :)
>> >> Thank you for your patience
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Karam Qubsi
>> >> Koha Arab Translating Team
>> >> http://koha.wikibrary.org/
>> >> Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
>> >> http://wikibrary.org
>> >>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Karam Qubsi
> Koha Arab Translating Team
> http://koha.wikibrary.org/
> Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
> http://wikibrary.org
>

From Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de  Fri Jul 13 16:36:52 2012
From: Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de (Fischer, Katrin)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 16:36:52 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
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I think the idea of having po files for translating the manual is an interesting idea - because it means that when Nicole updates the manual, not the whole manual will have to be retranslated, but only the changed parts of it. If we keep the image names the same for each language, we could also have "translated" screenshots for each language. 

Git allows to see what has changed in the English manual between versions, but those changes are not reflected in the translated manuals.

If someone wants to do a 1:1 translation, using po files make a lot of sense and it would lower the barrier for translating the manuals.

Katrin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: koha-translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-
> translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Engard
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:21 PM
> To: Karam Qubsi
> Cc: Larry Baerveldt; Fr?d?ric Demians; koha.ILS at groups.facebook.com;
> koha-docs at lists.koha-community.org; koha-translate at lists.koha-
> community.org
> Subject: Re: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
> 
> I don't know anything about po - all I know is that the manual is in
> Docbook and when I push changes to it those are converted to HTML with a
> script on the server for display. If another set up is necessary, we'll
> need to discuss hat that requires.
> 
> For me the best place to start in the 3.8 manual and submit patches to
> the docbook file to me via this list.  Then once you have the 3.8 manual
> translated you can use that as the base for the 3.10 manual (at least
> that's what I do).
> 
> Nicole
> 
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Karam Qubsi <karamqubsi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Thanks Nicole
> > I test it locally and it looks good , and i found the way to convert
> > it to html :) (and to po)
> >
> > but I'm puzzled a little
> >
> > where is the best to start ?
> > in translating the 3.8 manual ( because it is maybe stable more than
> > 3.10)
> >
> > or work in 3.10 to make the next koha version full in Arabic (manuals
> > and
> > system)
> >
> > so please advice .
> >
> > and one more point , I've found a tool that convert (docbook) format
> > to po and we can translate it from there
> >
> > it is more easy to translate
> >
> > If there is flaws in this solution please let me know.
> >
> >  the attached file is the po generated from the manaul.xml (for 3.10)
> > and it could be  re convert to xml after translation
> >
> > I used the gnome-doc-utils
> > https://live.gnome.org/GnomeDocUtils/
> >
> > "It includes xml2po tool which makes it easier to translate and keep
> > up to date translations of documentation"
> >
> > Hi Fr?d?ric :)
> >
> > Can we use the Pootle Server to translate manuals ? as a new project
> > (not just for arabic )
> >
> > I think to make koha more translatable we need to provide easy way to
> > translate the system and the manuals I think the translator who used
> > to translate in Pootle will find this more easier to translate the
> > documentation
> >
> > I wish you all happy times
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Here's how it converted in 3.2
> >> (http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/ar/) does that look right? If
> >> so then your 3.8 manual should be A-OK. If you need to see the 3.2
> >> manual it's in git.
> >>
> >> Nicole
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Nicole Engard <nengard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > I need to check with someone about the script we use to convert XML
> >> > to HTML ... I don't know the way it works or if it will work for
> >> > your purposes. If anyone else on the list knows the answer I'd love
> >> > to hear it.
> >> >
> >> > Nicole
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Karam Qubsi <karamqubsi at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >> Hi
> >> >> first I'm so sorry if I bother you with my  questions.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have try to translate some parts in the manual of koha 3.8 , and
> >> >> I finish editing some section in the first chapter
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. Administration
> >> >> 1. Global System Preferences
> >> >> 1.1. Acquisitions 100%
> >> >> 1.2. Administration   20%
> >> >>
> >> >> with images from the English version  ( I will later update images
> >> >> from the Arabic version )
> >> >>
> >> >> so , I want to test my work in the web , and see if my work  will
> >> >> look good in the manual web site
> >> >>
> >> >> and I don't have experience about if I have to do some thing with
> >> >> my xml file to make the html result goes from right to left , or
> >> >> this will be done automatically ?
> >> >>
> >> >> and I want to ask , If I have to start work in the koha 3.10
> >> >> (better ) or working in koha 3.8 now (as what I'm doing) , and in
> >> >> the future we can update the changes and make it fit the koha 3.10
> >> >> .
> >> >>
> >> >> I wish you will batch my file as soon ad you can to see it
> >> >>
> >> >> i'm sorry if i have to do something else to do batches so please
> >> >> guide me to the correct way
> >> >>
> >> >> I know that not every one can send batches using git , so I attach
> >> >> the file here :)
> >> >>
> >> >> and thanks for your helps :)
> >> >> Thank you for your patience
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Karam Qubsi
> >> >> Koha Arab Translating Team
> >> >> http://koha.wikibrary.org/
> >> >> Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
> >> >> http://wikibrary.org
> >> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Karam Qubsi
> > Koha Arab Translating Team
> > http://koha.wikibrary.org/
> > Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
> > http://wikibrary.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
> website: www.koha-community.org
> git: git.koha-community.org
> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org

From jcamins at cpbibliography.com  Sat Jul 14 18:20:49 2012
From: jcamins at cpbibliography.com (Jared Camins-Esakov)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:20:49 -0400
Subject: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
In-Reply-To: <028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221E0E8@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>
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>
> I think the idea of having po files for translating the manual is an
> interesting idea - because it means that when Nicole updates the manual,
> not the whole manual will have to be retranslated, but only the changed
> parts of it. If we keep the image names the same for each language, we
> could also have "translated" screenshots for each language.
>
> Git allows to see what has changed in the English manual between versions,
> but those changes are not reflected in the translated manuals.
>
> If someone wants to do a 1:1 translation, using po files make a lot of
> sense and it would lower the barrier for translating the manuals.
>

Agreed. This is a fantastic idea. Generating a po file from Docbook (and
vice versa) is easy, and for 1:1 translations would be a great help. I
think it would be much better to merge the translated Docbook into the git
repository prior to releases, the way we do with Koha, rather than asking
the translation teams to rewrite the manual every time something is pushed
to the English.

Regards,
Jared

-- 
Jared Camins-Esakov
Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC
(phone) +1 (917) 727-3445
(e-mail) jcamins at cpbibliography.com
(web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
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From karamqubsi at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 09:17:30 2012
From: karamqubsi at gmail.com (Karam Qubsi)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:17:30 +0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
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Hi all :)
thanks for your response

I wish we can apply this as soon as possible

and we can try this for the Arabic language my group is ready to work :)

but the Question is , where we will work ? in the same Pootle Server , or
that is not available ?

if that is available , I wish you upload the pot and po files to the server
If you want some guidelines you can use this guide it's very useful , and
very easy :
http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/xml2po

and I wish to start work with the the 3.8 manual as Nicole  advice :)

Thanks ^_^

Karam


On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM, Jared Camins-Esakov <
jcamins at cpbibliography.com> wrote:

> I think the idea of having po files for translating the manual is an
>> interesting idea - because it means that when Nicole updates the manual,
>> not the whole manual will have to be retranslated, but only the changed
>> parts of it. If we keep the image names the same for each language, we
>> could also have "translated" screenshots for each language.
>>
>> Git allows to see what has changed in the English manual between
>> versions, but those changes are not reflected in the translated manuals.
>>
>> If someone wants to do a 1:1 translation, using po files make a lot of
>> sense and it would lower the barrier for translating the manuals.
>>
>
> Agreed. This is a fantastic idea. Generating a po file from Docbook (and
> vice versa) is easy, and for 1:1 translations would be a great help. I
> think it would be much better to merge the translated Docbook into the git
> repository prior to releases, the way we do with Koha, rather than asking
> the translation teams to rewrite the manual every time something is pushed
> to the English.
>
> Regards,
> Jared
>
> --
> Jared Camins-Esakov
> Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC
> (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445
> (e-mail) jcamins at cpbibliography.com
> (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
>
>
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From frederic at tamil.fr  Sun Jul 15 12:07:33 2012
From: frederic at tamil.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Demians?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:07:33 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
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Message-ID: <50029665.1060403@tamil.fr>

Hi Karam,

 > but the Question is , where we will work ? in the same Pootle Server ,
 > or that is not available ?

Very possible.

 > if that is available , I wish you upload the pot and po files to the
 > server If you want some guidelines you can use this guide it's very
 > useful , and very easy :

 > http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/xml2po

Nothing hasn't been done yet in this direction. We have to validate that
this workflow just works for us, test it, and document it. Things to do
(at least):

- A .pot file must be generated from DocBook XML file
- One, or several, .po files must be generated from .pot file
- After translation, a translated XML DocBook file must be generated
   from .po file, and original English DocBook
- After original DocBook updates, a merging mechanism must allow to
   update .pot file, and .po files

Who will do that job? You? the documentation manager? the translation
manager?  From my perspective, you are the best suited to start this
project since you will be the first to benefit from its results. If this
workflow proves to work for you, I'm sure the community will embrace it
with enthusiasm and gratitude.

Kind regards,
-- 
Fr?d?ric DEMIANS
http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html

From jcamins at cpbibliography.com  Sun Jul 15 15:04:33 2012
From: jcamins at cpbibliography.com (Jared Camins-Esakov)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 09:04:33 -0400
Subject: [Koha-translate] String freeze for 3.6.7
Message-ID: <CALVDfQxN22LE12uzGJRXu=F9CqXkagAq4LQVH_gAdV4wZPQkAg@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning.

Apologies for the late notice, but as of right now 3.6.x is in string
freeze in preparation for the release of 3.6.7 in one week. Thank you to
the translation teams for their hard work.

Regards,
Jared Camins-Esakov

-- 
Jared Camins-Esakov
Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC
(phone) +1 (917) 727-3445
(e-mail) jcamins at cpbibliography.com
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From bgkriegel at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 17:47:52 2012
From: bgkriegel at gmail.com (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:47:52 -0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] [Koha-docs]  Arabic manual 38
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>
> I think the idea of having po files for translating the manual is an
>> interesting idea - because it means that when Nicole updates the manual,
>> not the whole manual will have to be retranslated, but only the changed
>> parts of it. If we keep the image names the same for each language, we
>> could also have "translated" screenshots for each language.
>>
>> Git allows to see what has changed in the English manual between
>> versions, but those changes are not reflected in the translated manuals.
>>
>> If someone wants to do a 1:1 translation, using po files make a lot of
>> sense and it would lower the barrier for translating the manuals.
>>
>
> Agreed. This is a fantastic idea. Generating a po file from Docbook (and
> vice versa) is easy, and for 1:1 translations would be a great help. I
> think it would be much better to merge the translated Docbook into the git
> repository prior to releases, the way we do with Koha, rather than asking
> the translation teams to rewrite the manual every time something is pushed
> to the English.
>

I wrote a while ago (26-3-2010) on the same topic to Chris Cormak (he was
translation manager, I think)
...

I've been working on the translation of the 3.2 manual from some time,
not too much lately because we are finishing the migration of almost all
of the libraries of our university (hope we will finish in a month), but we
plan
to complete the translation eventually.

Thanks to Nicole, the manual is a living thing and she does a great job,
but every time she makes a change or adds something we are out of sync,
then we need to search were in the english version she has made a change,
and do the translation.

The question is: Is it possible to apply to the manual the same procedure
we have with the koha code?
I mean, some procedure to generate a PO file from the manual,
translate it and then generate the corresponding translated manual.
Every time the English manual  changes, then the PO file will have new,
changed or deprecated strings, easier to found using pootle or poedit.

...

It would be wonderful if this could be implemented.

Bernardo
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From chris at bigballofwax.co.nz  Sun Jul 15 21:07:39 2012
From: chris at bigballofwax.co.nz (Chris Cormack)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:07:39 +1200
Subject: [Koha-translate] String freeze for 3.6.7
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Ata marie,

3.8.x is also in string freeze for 3.8.3.

I have started putting important dates on dashboard.koha-community.org in
the hopes it will be useful for people.

Chris
On Jul 16, 2012 1:04 AM, "Jared Camins-Esakov" <jcamins at cpbibliography.com>
wrote:

> Good morning.
>
> Apologies for the late notice, but as of right now 3.6.x is in string
> freeze in preparation for the release of 3.6.7 in one week. Thank you to
> the translation teams for their hard work.
>
> Regards,
> Jared Camins-Esakov
>
> --
> Jared Camins-Esakov
> Bibliographer, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC
> (phone) +1 (917) 727-3445
> (e-mail) jcamins at cpbibliography.com
> (web) http://www.cpbibliography.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Koha-translate mailing list
> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
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> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org
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From f.demians at tamil.fr  Sun Jul 15 21:38:06 2012
From: f.demians at tamil.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Demians?=)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:38:06 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] String freeze for 3.6.7
In-Reply-To: <CA+95qVRUDdmuOe3syg02GRngWeYzqi6-Fih96KCo+sFRFcT9ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALVDfQxN22LE12uzGJRXu=F9CqXkagAq4LQVH_gAdV4wZPQkAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+95qVRUDdmuOe3syg02GRngWeYzqi6-Fih96KCo+sFRFcT9ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50031C1E.10002@tamil.fr>

 > 3.8.x is also in string freeze for 3.8.3.

3.8 and 3.6 translation projects on http://translate.koha-community.org
will be updated with new/modified strings tomorrow morning.  The
translators working off-line have still 8 hours to upload their .po
files on the translation platform.

-- 
Fr?d?ric DEMIANS
http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html

From karamqubsi at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 08:36:32 2012
From: karamqubsi at gmail.com (Karam Qubsi)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:36:32 +0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
In-Reply-To: <50029665.1060403@tamil.fr>
References: <CAML=hta58XAHaB2eEhpUEfbRHPT1Rm9TXx-=XO7vPLDyMBOLLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC0K6VFXzfzGhgBg0JFZy0gA99dp8=6dF0EzP-tfBQ9qVn2UZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC0K6VEYFw5zu5L7o8nfOnfKg8a2E9qFEKfgEHyq2dncR8b8XQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAML=htYZ+4ADFJYq2BqMj4NhbyguqYdbpAmbOzsZiGHcc4bZSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC0K6VGmaT2TCg7xnc0-o_pSRYNUb88Px6xw3GT8irxZ4SiQxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221E0E8@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>
	<CALVDfQyrQ=uCP2O-PoYZTPgCmcuU5td52enUHFyfGw9uMDQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAML=htaDqV-QJsXCMy=zg9CAKWzxFUf=t73+ccq+wnRCRa9dSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50029665.1060403@tamil.fr>
Message-ID: <CAML=htYD+LPtw_h2wP165yGXmXRhNZ2Pg2Xw5D35fq2AGzqppg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Fr?d?ric ,

OK
I will start with this

by generating the 3.8 .pot file and the .po (for Arabic right now to test )

and will give you feedback about this :)

Karam

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Fr?d?ric Demians <frederic at tamil.fr> wrote:

> Hi Karam,
>
>
> > but the Question is , where we will work ? in the same Pootle Server ,
> > or that is not available ?
>
> Very possible.
>
>
> > if that is available , I wish you upload the pot and po files to the
> > server If you want some guidelines you can use this guide it's very
> > useful , and very easy :
>
> > http://pwet.fr/man/linux/**commandes/xml2po<http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/xml2po>
>
> Nothing hasn't been done yet in this direction. We have to validate that
> this workflow just works for us, test it, and document it. Things to do
> (at least):
>
> - A .pot file must be generated from DocBook XML file
> - One, or several, .po files must be generated from .pot file
> - After translation, a translated XML DocBook file must be generated
>   from .po file, and original English DocBook
> - After original DocBook updates, a merging mechanism must allow to
>   update .pot file, and .po files
>
> Who will do that job? You? the documentation manager? the translation
> manager?  From my perspective, you are the best suited to start this
> project since you will be the first to benefit from its results. If this
> workflow proves to work for you, I'm sure the community will embrace it
> with enthusiasm and gratitude.
>
> Kind regards,
> --
> Fr?d?ric DEMIANS
> http://www.tamil.fr/u/**fdemians.html<http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html>
>



-- 
Karam Qubsi
Koha Arab Translating Team
http://koha.wikibrary.org/
Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
http://wikibrary.org
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From Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de  Mon Jul 16 08:55:58 2012
From: Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de (Fischer, Katrin)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:55:58 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
In-Reply-To: <CAML=htYD+LPtw_h2wP165yGXmXRhNZ2Pg2Xw5D35fq2AGzqppg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML=hta58XAHaB2eEhpUEfbRHPT1Rm9TXx-=XO7vPLDyMBOLLA@mail.gmail.com><CAC0K6VFXzfzGhgBg0JFZy0gA99dp8=6dF0EzP-tfBQ9qVn2UZQ@mail.gmail.com><CAC0K6VEYFw5zu5L7o8nfOnfKg8a2E9qFEKfgEHyq2dncR8b8XQ@mail.gmail.com><CAML=htYZ+4ADFJYq2BqMj4NhbyguqYdbpAmbOzsZiGHcc4bZSw@mail.gmail.com><CAC0K6VGmaT2TCg7xnc0-o_pSRYNUb88Px6xw3GT8irxZ4SiQxA@mail.gmail.com><028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221E0E8@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de><CALVDfQyrQ=uCP2O-PoYZTPgCmcuU5td52enUHFyfGw9uMDQhxQ@mail.gmail.com><CAML=htaDqV-QJsXCMy=zg9CAKWzxFUf=t73+ccq+wnRCRa9dSQ@mail.gmail.com><50029665.1060403@tamil.fr>
	<CAML=htYD+LPtw_h2wP165yGXmXRhNZ2Pg2Xw5D35fq2AGzqppg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD0221E124@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>

Hi Karam, 

thank you for your work on this. I hope it works out and we can make this available for other languages soon too :)

Katrin


From: Karam Qubsi [mailto:karamqubsi at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:37 AM
To: Fr?d?ric Demians
Cc: Jared Camins-Esakov; Fischer, Katrin; koha-docs at lists.koha-community.org; koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org; Nicole Engard
Subject: Re: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38

Hi Fr?d?ric ,

OK
I will start with this 

by generating the 3.8 .pot file and the .po (for Arabic right now to test ) 

and will give you feedback about this :)

Karam
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Fr?d?ric Demians <frederic at tamil.fr> wrote:
Hi Karam,


> but the Question is , where we will work ? in the same Pootle Server ,
> or that is not available ?
Very possible.


> if that is available , I wish you upload the pot and po files to the
> server If you want some guidelines you can use this guide it's very
> useful , and very easy :

> http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/xml2po
Nothing hasn't been done yet in this direction. We have to validate that
this workflow just works for us, test it, and document it. Things to do
(at least):

- A .pot file must be generated from DocBook XML file
- One, or several, .po files must be generated from .pot file
- After translation, a translated XML DocBook file must be generated
? from .po file, and original English DocBook
- After original DocBook updates, a merging mechanism must allow to
? update .pot file, and .po files

Who will do that job? You? the documentation manager? the translation
manager? ?From my perspective, you are the best suited to start this
project since you will be the first to benefit from its results. If this
workflow proves to work for you, I'm sure the community will embrace it
with enthusiasm and gratitude.

Kind regards,
-- 
Fr?d?ric DEMIANS
http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html



-- 
Karam Qubsi
Koha Arab Translating Team
http://koha.wikibrary.org/
Wikibrary for Arab Librarians
http://wikibrary.org

From frederic at tamil.fr  Mon Jul 16 10:52:42 2012
From: frederic at tamil.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Demians?=)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:52:42 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] [Koha]  String freeze for 3.6.7
In-Reply-To: <50031C1E.10002@tamil.fr>
References: <CALVDfQxN22LE12uzGJRXu=F9CqXkagAq4LQVH_gAdV4wZPQkAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+95qVRUDdmuOe3syg02GRngWeYzqi6-Fih96KCo+sFRFcT9ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<50031C1E.10002@tamil.fr>
Message-ID: <5003D65A.7060609@tamil.fr>

Dear Translators,

Koha 3.6 and 3.8 translation projects have been updated on:

   http://translate.koha-community.org

with new/modified strings. You have this week to update your translation.



From paul.poulain at biblibre.com  Mon Jul 16 11:12:46 2012
From: paul.poulain at biblibre.com (Paul Poulain)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:12:46 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translation of KOCT (Koha Offline Circulation Tool)
Message-ID: <5003DB0E.9030000@biblibre.com>

Hi,

BibLibre is working on a new version of KOCT
(http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Offline_circulation_firefox_plugin)
that enable translation of the plugin.

We are currently testing the translation to french.
Once we're sure things are OK, I'll send here some explanations and
example file for those who want to translate the plugin in their own
language.
There are only a few strings (less than a dozen)

Stay tuned.
-- 
Paul POULAIN
http://www.biblibre.com
Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08


From frederic at tamil.fr  Fri Jul 20 09:15:59 2012
From: frederic at tamil.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Demians?=)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:15:59 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] [Koha]  String freeze for 3.6.7 and 3.8.3
In-Reply-To: <5003D65A.7060609@tamil.fr>
References: <CALVDfQxN22LE12uzGJRXu=F9CqXkagAq4LQVH_gAdV4wZPQkAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+95qVRUDdmuOe3syg02GRngWeYzqi6-Fih96KCo+sFRFcT9ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<50031C1E.10002@tamil.fr> <5003D65A.7060609@tamil.fr>
Message-ID: <500905AF.8030500@tamil.fr>

Dear Translators,

You still have 7 hours before I pull your translation work for coming
Koha 3.6.7 and 3.8.3 version from http://translate.koha-community.org.
If you work off-line, I urge you to upload your .po files to the
translation platform before this limit.

Kind regards,
-- 
Fr?d?ric


From paul.poulain at biblibre.com  Tue Jul 24 12:20:59 2012
From: paul.poulain at biblibre.com (Paul Poulain)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:20:59 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] KOCT translatable, please translate !
Message-ID: <500E770B.30903@biblibre.com>

Hello,

The Koha Offline Circulation Tool, a firefox plugin, is now
translatable. I just pushed a patch that add this feature and the
translation to french.

It's very easy to add a translation, just head here :
http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=contrib/global.git;a=tree;f=koct/chrome/locale;hb=72ba809c45caca19d8dc4e438aef55eb56ca9fb4

(in koct/chrome/locale directory if you clone the git repo)

cp -r en-US yourlocale-language
cd yourlocale-language
translate the 2 tiny files
koct.dtd and koct.properties

git add yourlocal-language
git commit
git format-patch

send me the patch, I'll push it.



-- 
Paul POULAIN
http://www.biblibre.com
Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08

From paul.poulain at biblibre.com  Tue Jul 24 14:16:55 2012
From: paul.poulain at biblibre.com (Paul Poulain)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:16:55 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] KOCT translatable, please translate !
In-Reply-To: <CADF4kvTuZ8GWds+AxCd-n28vqMv8ujwqpPMsAGTwuttjUBXXkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <500E770B.30903@biblibre.com>
	<CADF4kvTuZ8GWds+AxCd-n28vqMv8ujwqpPMsAGTwuttjUBXXkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <500E9237.8090204@biblibre.com>

Hello all,
> (in koct/chrome/locale directory if you clone the git repo)
It seems I was not clear enough: KOCT is not in the Koha git repo, but
in contrib, where are KOCT and sandboxes scripts:
git clone git://git.koha-community.org/contrib/global.git

-- 
Paul POULAIN
http://www.biblibre.com
Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08

From paul.poulain at biblibre.com  Tue Jul 24 15:16:25 2012
From: paul.poulain at biblibre.com (Paul Poulain)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:16:25 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] [Koha-devel]  KOCT translatable,
 please translate !
In-Reply-To: <500E9237.8090204@biblibre.com>
References: <500E770B.30903@biblibre.com>
	<CADF4kvTuZ8GWds+AxCd-n28vqMv8ujwqpPMsAGTwuttjUBXXkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<500E9237.8090204@biblibre.com>
Message-ID: <500EA029.4020508@biblibre.com>

Le 24/07/2012 14:16, Paul Poulain a ?crit :
> Hello all,
>> (in koct/chrome/locale directory if you clone the git repo)
> It seems I was not clear enough: KOCT is not in the Koha git repo, but
> in contrib, where are KOCT and sandboxes scripts:
> git clone git://git.koha-community.org/contrib/global.git
> 
I have a spanish translation in my inbox.
Please if you sent a translation, you can report it here, to avoid
duplicate effort !

-- 
Paul POULAIN
http://www.biblibre.com
Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08

From bgkriegel at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 15:39:19 2012
From: bgkriegel at gmail.com (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:39:19 -0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] KOCT translatable, please translate !
In-Reply-To: <500E9237.8090204@biblibre.com>
References: <500E770B.30903@biblibre.com>
	<CADF4kvTuZ8GWds+AxCd-n28vqMv8ujwqpPMsAGTwuttjUBXXkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<500E9237.8090204@biblibre.com>
Message-ID: <CADF4kvTqENfd+7WA7tG4cpb48aGFh9895S5Q_32pBFveQFYh1w@mail.gmail.com>

Ok,
I send the patch to spanish translation.

Bernardo
-- 
Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel
bgkriegel at gmail.com



On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain at biblibre.com>wrote:

> Hello all,
> > (in koct/chrome/locale directory if you clone the git repo)
> It seems I was not clear enough: KOCT is not in the Koha git repo, but
> in contrib, where are KOCT and sandboxes scripts:
> git clone git://git.koha-community.org/contrib/global.git
>
> --
> Paul POULAIN
> http://www.biblibre.com
> Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc
> Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
>
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From veron at veron.ch  Tue Jul 24 16:34:03 2012
From: veron at veron.ch (=?UTF-8?B?TWFyYyBWw6lyb24=?=)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:34:03 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] New language: Deutsch (Schweiz)  de-CH
Message-ID: <500EB25B.5090202@veron.ch>

Hi List,

I would like to have Deutsch (Schweiz) de-CH as new language on Pootle.

The translation will be based on the German translation, but with Swiss 
orthography (e.g. ss instead of ?) some changes in library-related and 
other terms.

The overall workflow will be that I still help with the German 
translation. As soon it is finished, I download the files, search/replace 
strings where appropriate and then load them as 'de-CH' on Pootle.

Thanks.

Marc V?ron
www.veron.ch







From tajoli at cilea.it  Tue Jul 24 18:16:55 2012
From: tajoli at cilea.it (Zeno Tajoli)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:16:55 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] [Koha-devel]  KOCT translatable,
 please translate !
In-Reply-To: <500EA029.4020508@biblibre.com>
References: <500E770B.30903@biblibre.com>
	<CADF4kvTuZ8GWds+AxCd-n28vqMv8ujwqpPMsAGTwuttjUBXXkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<500E9237.8090204@biblibre.com> <500EA029.4020508@biblibre.com>
Message-ID: <500ECA77.50509@cilea.it>

Hi to all,

Il 24/07/2012 15:16, Paul Poulain ha scritto:
> I have a spanish translation in my inbox.
> Please if you sent a translation, you can report it here, to avoid
> duplicate effort !

I have send to Paul the italian transaltion.

Bye
Zeno Tajoli

-- 
Dott. Zeno Tajoli
tajoliAT_SPAM_no_prendiATcilea.it
fax +39 02 2135520
CILEA - Consorzio Interuniversitario
http://www.cilea.it/disclaimer

From karamqubsi at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 22:09:08 2012
From: karamqubsi at gmail.com (Karam Qubsi)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:09:08 +0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] Arabic manual 38
In-Reply-To: <50029665.1060403@tamil.fr>
References: <CAML=hta58XAHaB2eEhpUEfbRHPT1Rm9TXx-=XO7vPLDyMBOLLA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CALVDfQyrQ=uCP2O-PoYZTPgCmcuU5td52enUHFyfGw9uMDQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAML=htaDqV-QJsXCMy=zg9CAKWzxFUf=t73+ccq+wnRCRa9dSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50029665.1060403@tamil.fr>
Message-ID: <CAML=htawNv85TJko5KrM7eFrjfF0gmAH9NuK_xrMRujxcR8n4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all
Using "itstool"
http://itstool.org

we can do the following points that Fr?d?ric talked about :

- A .pot file can be generated from DocBook XML file
    by running :
            itstool -o manual.pot manual.xml
- One, or several, .po files can be generated from .pot file
      I think by saving it as po files
       ar.po , fr.po , de.po ....
- After translation, a translated XML DocBook file can be generated  from
.po file, and original English DocBook

      For this we have first to use *msgfmt* to generate mo file by running
:
      msgfmt fr.po
      then a messages.mo will be generated
      using this mo file we can generate the xml file by running :
         itstool -m messages.mo -o fr/ manual.xml

       Then the translated docbook will be generated in the sub-folder /fr


( using msgmerge ) TO UPDATE
- After original DocBook updates, a merging mechanism must allow to update
.pot file, and .po files

I think this will be similar to the process in the koha translation
project
I don't know how you do that exactly ( right now)  but I think

we have to generate a new pot file ( for the new version of the xml)
and update the po files from the new POT file using :
      msgmerge -U fr.po manual.pot

    where :
     manual.pot is the new generated POT file
     and the fr.po is the translated po file in the previous version


I hope you provide me with your assistance from your experience


and thank you all

Karam


On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Fr?d?ric Demians <frederic at tamil.fr> wrote:

> Hi Karam,
>
>
> > but the Question is , where we will work ? in the same Pootle Server ,
> > or that is not available ?
>
> Very possible.
>
>
> > if that is available , I wish you upload the pot and po files to the
> > server If you want some guidelines you can use this guide it's very
> > useful , and very easy :
>
> > http://pwet.fr/man/linux/**commandes/xml2po<http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/xml2po>
>
> Nothing hasn't been done yet in this direction. We have to validate that
> this workflow just works for us, test it, and document it. Things to do
> (at least):
>
> - A .pot file must be generated from DocBook XML file
> - One, or several, .po files must be generated from .pot file
> - After translation, a translated XML DocBook file must be generated
>   from .po file, and original English DocBook
> - After original DocBook updates, a merging mechanism must allow to
>   update .pot file, and .po files
>
> Who will do that job? You? the documentation manager? the translation
> manager?  From my perspective, you are the best suited to start this
> project since you will be the first to benefit from its results. If this
> workflow proves to work for you, I'm sure the community will embrace it
> with enthusiasm and gratitude.
>
> Kind regards,
> --
> Fr?d?ric DEMIANS
> http://www.tamil.fr/u/**fdemians.html<http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html>
>
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From bgkriegel at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 04:09:11 2012
From: bgkriegel at gmail.com (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:09:11 -0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] [Koha-docs] Translate KOHA Manual
In-Reply-To: <CAML=htYmGkct1ROoP+RpMJPaN8XbpwF2h9swFXYHEfzQHYNSgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML=htYmGkct1ROoP+RpMJPaN8XbpwF2h9swFXYHEfzQHYNSgA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Karam Qubsi <karamqubsi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All ,
> Hi Fr?d?ric
>
> Attached with this Email  a Zip file contain the pot file for the manual
> 3.8 with the last version that Nicole submitted
> and in the folder ( lang)
> you will find ar , fr and de  po files to start with
>
> we can add other languages as you know
>
> I wish this will be added to the Pootle Server ( as a new project ) , and
> start translating there :)
>
> Kind regards
>
> Karam
>
>
>
Karam,
great job!

I have already started the translation into Spanish (offline).
I think this could be integrated as another file within the project for
each version, starting with 3.8,
but this is up to the Translation Managers of course.

Regards

Bernardo
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From frederic at tamil.fr  Thu Jul 26 08:30:58 2012
From: frederic at tamil.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Demians?=)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:30:58 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translate KOHA Manual
In-Reply-To: <CAML=htYmGkct1ROoP+RpMJPaN8XbpwF2h9swFXYHEfzQHYNSgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAML=htYmGkct1ROoP+RpMJPaN8XbpwF2h9swFXYHEfzQHYNSgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5010E422.30805@tamil.fr>

Thanks Karam!

We need documentation on the whole process. We have now this page:

   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual

This page is incomplete. We have to describe the process followed to
generate the Koha Manual from DocBook XML file. And then, the process
to localize the manual.

I propose to work collaboratively on a new page gathering all
information on the subject:

   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Manual

Karam, you could document in Localization section the steps you followed.

Few remarks:

- .po file names shouldn't contains Koha version number. At the end of
   the day, those files will be stored in a Git repository whith branches
   identifying Koha version. .po files for Koha interfaces show us that
   embedding version number in the file name is a bad idea.

- How will we deal with image files? There are a lot of screenshot. Good
   idea or bad idea?

- We will need to write few scripts to generate the translation files.
   There are already somewhere (but where?) scripts to generated
   .pdf/.html versions of the manual. We could gather all those script in
   one place, directly in the Koha Manual git repository.

Kind regards,
-- 
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http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html

From nengard at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 14:24:31 2012
From: nengard at gmail.com (Nicole Engard)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:24:31 -0400
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translate KOHA Manual
In-Reply-To: <5010E422.30805@tamil.fr>
References: <CAML=htYmGkct1ROoP+RpMJPaN8XbpwF2h9swFXYHEfzQHYNSgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5010E422.30805@tamil.fr>
Message-ID: <CAC0K6VEbywPadPOjtCe=qnHDFV8LX2hNvzA98Ti6EKy=oL1Vcw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Fr?d?ric Demians <frederic at tamil.fr> wrote:
> I propose to work collaboratively on a new page gathering all
> information on the subject:
>
>   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Manual

Why create a new page - you could just edit the existing page.
Anyway, I'll add a link to the page I wrote on the new one.

Nicole

From m.kirjasto.hailuoto at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 19:39:11 2012
From: m.kirjasto.hailuoto at gmail.com (Kari Blomster)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:39:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Koha-translate] New language fi-FI Koha 3.8
Message-ID: <1343410751509-5721411.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello, Fr?d?ric and everybody. 

We are scheduling the update 3.4 -> 3.8 
and I request the Finnish language project for 3.8 to be set up. 

opac, staff and pref files, thank you. 

kind greetings from, 
Gary b




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From karamqubsi at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 23:23:37 2012
From: karamqubsi at gmail.com (Karam Qubsi)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 00:23:37 +0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translate KOHA Manual
In-Reply-To: <5010E422.30805@tamil.fr>
References: <CAML=htYmGkct1ROoP+RpMJPaN8XbpwF2h9swFXYHEfzQHYNSgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5010E422.30805@tamil.fr>
Message-ID: <CAML=htZmmZUXvt9-STcdAj0w9eZi80mBVNE__cY7XJSwxiHF0g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Fr?d?ric,
I document the process that I have information about ( localization )
 please review and edit this :)
http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Manual
And I will review it again later

*about images* ,
Hi Nicole,
I think the translation team (for each lang)  have to take screenshot of
the Koha interface in their languages and put it in the /images folder and
sup folder in in the same name and target .

I think we will translate the  examples that Nicole used in the
documentation so we have to use the same cases and examples that she used
maybe we have to take the same database that she work on .


Thank you Fr?d?ric
Thank you Nicole

Karam

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Fr?d?ric Demians <frederic at tamil.fr> wrote:

> Thanks Karam!
>
> We need documentation on the whole process. We have now this page:
>
>   http://wiki.koha-community.**org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_**Manual<http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Editing_the_Koha_Manual>
>
> This page is incomplete. We have to describe the process followed to
> generate the Koha Manual from DocBook XML file. And then, the process
> to localize the manual.
>
> I propose to work collaboratively on a new page gathering all
> information on the subject:
>
>   http://wiki.koha-community.**org/wiki/Koha_Manual<http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Manual>
>
> Karam, you could document in Localization section the steps you followed.
>
> Few remarks:
>
> - .po file names shouldn't contains Koha version number. At the end of
>   the day, those files will be stored in a Git repository whith branches
>   identifying Koha version. .po files for Koha interfaces show us that
>   embedding version number in the file name is a bad idea.
>
> - How will we deal with image files? There are a lot of screenshot. Good
>   idea or bad idea?
>
> - We will need to write few scripts to generate the translation files.
>   There are already somewhere (but where?) scripts to generated
>   .pdf/.html versions of the manual. We could gather all those script in
>   one place, directly in the Koha Manual git repository.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> --
> Fr?d?ric DEMIANS
> http://www.tamil.fr/u/**fdemians.html<http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html>
>
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From black23 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 11:08:24 2012
From: black23 at gmail.com (Mike D.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:08:24 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] cs-CZ: Filesystem sent error: No such file or
	directory
Message-ID: <CAHO46vOe09LEk7upGEHpABgNpv+ObAsToa0=QfmKbqhU6Zu1BA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I want to report some problems with uploading (and downloading too)
translations file on Pootle.
Erros message:
Error accessing /home/koha/Pootle-2.1.6/po/38/cs, Filesystem sent error: No
such file or directory

Thanks

Mike
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From Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de  Mon Jul 30 12:53:55 2012
From: Katrin.Fischer at bsz-bw.de (Fischer, Katrin)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 12:53:55 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] cs-CZ: Filesystem sent error: No such file
	ordirectory
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Message-ID: <028B1A54D03E7B4482CDCA4EC8F06BFD022DB418@Bodensee.bsz-bw.de>

Hi Mike,

I can confirm your problem, I get the same error when I try to download the Czech zip file or a single po file:

Error accessing /home/koha/Pootle-2.1.6/po/38/cs/cs-CZ-i-opac-t-prog-v-3006000.po, Filesystem sent error: No such file or directory

I am not sure what's going wrong here. The files seem to show up normally in the editor. 

Maybe Frederic or Samuel have an idea and can fix it?

Katrin

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Bibliotheksservice-Zentrum Baden-Wuerttemberg (BSZ)
78457 Konstanz / Germany
Phone: +49 7531 - 88 4934
E-mail: katrin.fischer at bsz-bw.de 
http://bsz-bw.de 


From: koha-translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Mike D.
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:08 AM
To: Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
Subject: [Koha-translate] cs-CZ: Filesystem sent error: No such file ordirectory

Hello,
I want to report some problems with uploading (and downloading too) translations file on Pootle.
Erros message:
Error accessing /home/koha/Pootle-2.1.6/po/38/cs, Filesystem sent error: No such file or directory

Thanks

Mike

From frederic at tamil.fr  Tue Jul 31 09:36:57 2012
From: frederic at tamil.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric_Demians?=)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:36:57 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] [Koha-docs]  Arabic manual 38
In-Reply-To: <CAML=htYRP8_-01CwkUNncRYuW+CoeVfG9R2vSz4e2qkRYOh7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAML=htaDqV-QJsXCMy=zg9CAKWzxFUf=t73+ccq+wnRCRa9dSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAML=htawNv85TJko5KrM7eFrjfF0gmAH9NuK_xrMRujxcR8n4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5012B735.6010401@biblibre.com>
	<CAML=htb_Wy7FvC36s=ksQJTivsy1Sk2aFnk_bNaOP_KiesLbxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADF4kvR+oCeBM8a-W6hNZP5VBNga03A89KL1zcXTY3EoSGwOqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAML=htYRP8_-01CwkUNncRYuW+CoeVfG9R2vSz4e2qkRYOh7iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50178B19.6000805@tamil.fr>

 > Hi Fr?d?ric
 > So what next ?

Someone else than Bernardo or yourself has to validate the whole process to
confirm that it works as expected. What next:

1) Translation process validation
2) You, and others, send me their .po files that have been generated 
with 1).
3) .po files from 2) are pushed on translate.koha-community.org.

As soon as 1) is done, you can work on translating your .po file with
the guaranty not to loose your work.

We then have to design a synchronization mechanism:

1) What happen when Nicole Engard (Koha Documentation Manager) updates
    the English master DocBook file?
2) How to publish/package the localized documentation (not the .po
    files, the HTML/PDF files)? At which frequency?

We still have to think about several things:

- Will translators work online (on Pootle) or offline (in a local .po
   files editor)? This will impact the synchronization mechanism.
- What release frequency is wishable?
- How to deal exactly with screenshots? Shouldn't it better to have as
   less screenshots as possible?

I will personally not be able to work on that stuff before the end of
August. But but you're welcome pursuing experimentations and thinking.

Kind regards,



From fridolyn.somers at biblibre.com  Tue Jul 31 13:25:24 2012
From: fridolyn.somers at biblibre.com (Fridolyn SOMERS)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 13:25:24 +0200
Subject: [Koha-translate] Subcription
Message-ID: <5017C0A4.4090400@biblibre.com>

Hie,

I tried to subscribe to translate.koha-community.org.
I created an account but I did not receive the confirmation email.
When I try to log in, it says my account is not active.

What can I do ?

-- 
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Biblibre - P?le Support
fridolyn.somers at biblibre.com <mailto:fridolyn.somers at biblibre.com>
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From m.kirjasto.hailuoto at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 13:52:13 2012
From: m.kirjasto.hailuoto at gmail.com (Kari Blomster)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:52:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Koha-translate] Subcription
In-Reply-To: <5017C0A4.4090400@biblibre.com>
References: <5017C0A4.4090400@biblibre.com>
Message-ID: <1343735533424-5721625.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi, Fridolyn, 
maybe your old account with same email is existent and passive? Go to List
Info page 
http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate

and order a password reminder at the bottom of the page, "To unsubscribe
from Koha-translate, _get a password reminder, or change your subscription
options enter your subscription email address: --- If you leave the field
blank, you will be prompted for your email address" 

Maybe. :) 

regards, 
GaryB



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From m.kirjasto.hailuoto at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 13:54:32 2012
From: m.kirjasto.hailuoto at gmail.com (Kari Blomster)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 04:54:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Koha-translate] I mean....Re: Subcription
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...try same thing here:
http://translate.koha-community.org/accounts/login/

:)



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