[Koha-translate] Translation annoyances

[Katrin Fischer]

Hi,

I'd rather keep some additional %s and not lose the context and the
chance to do grammatically more correct translations. I'd like to give
some examples:

Grouping together related sentences/error messages:

%sNote: your comment contained illegal markup code. It has been saved
with the markup removed, as below. You can edit the comment further, or
cancel to retain the comment as is. %s %sError! Your comment was
entirely illegal markup code. It has NOT been added.%s %sError! You
cannot add an empty comment. Please add content or cancel.%s

%sEdit course%sCreate course%s

Suggestion status:
"%s Pending %s Accepted %s Ordered %s Rejected %s Checked %s %s %s %s "

Import status:
"%s Cleaned %s Imported %s Importing %s Reverted %s Reverting %s Staged
%s %s %s "


Allowing translation of 'constructed' sentences:
"%sEdit%sCreate%s Label layout"

"%s Delete %s %s Update %s %s Move %s %s Copy %s %s %s 1st %s %s field
%s%s$%s%s %s with value "


Also if you only take variables into account, a simple [% IF %] checking
for the existance of a variable could be a problem breakting the
translation string:

#. %1$s:  name
#. %2$s:  IF ( invoice )
#. %3$s:  invoice
#. %4$s:  END
#. %5$s:  ordernumber
#: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/orderreceive.tt:130
#, c-format
msgid "Receive items from : %s %s[%s] %s (order #%s)"


I think the translation scripts are not so much the problem, but badly
constructed strings in the templates are. I think fixing the templates
would be the better way.

Katrin


Am 04.12.2013 11:34, schrieb Fischer, Katrin:
> 
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: koha-translate-bounces at lists.koha-community.org im Auftrag von
> Fridolin SOMERS
> Gesendet: Mi 04.12.2013 11:05
> An: koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> Betreff: Re: [Koha-translate] Translation annoyances
> 
> I agree, specially on point 6.
> PO shoould only consider  TT vars [% var %], no other TT tag.
> 
> I will try to work on it.
> 
> Le 02/12/2013 08:37, Kallinen Pasi a écrit :
>> Hello.
>>
>> I've been translating Koha to Finnish for a bit, and I'm really
> starting to hate some of the automagically generated msgid's.
>>
>> 1) String concatenation is BAD.
>> For example, this line of code:
>>     var disabledForCurrent = _("Disabled for") + ' ' + $branch;
>> turns into this translatable string:
>>     msgid "Disabled for"
>>
>> For some languages this is very hard to translate without sounding
> stupid or just plain wrong. jQuery has some string placeholder support
> for javascript, so Koha really should be using those instead!
>> The example above would turn into:
>>
>>     var disabledForCurrent = _("Disabled for {0}");
>>     msgid "Disabled for {0}"
>>
>>
>> 2) Consistency would be good.
>>     msgid "EAN:"
>>     msgid "EAN: "
>>     msgid "EAN :"
>>
>>
>> 3) Sentences should not be cut in pieces.
>>     msgid "Please"
>>     msgid "upload"
>>     msgid "one."
>>
>> The "upload"-text is a link in the sentence. Ideally this should be:
>>     msgid "Please %supload%s one."
>>
>>
>> 4) Is it a verb or a noun?
>>     msgid "Copy"
>>
>>
>> 5) The wiki-like help texts should be in separate po-file. The help
> texts inflate the staff UI po-file immensely, and the help translation
> is not quite as critical as the UI. Having all the help texts
> interspersed between all the actually important strings is irritating.
>>
>>
>> 6) Translation is not programming. Replace all Template Toolkit code
> with placeholders.
>> For example
>>     msgid "Cancel [% IF TransferWhenCancelAllWaitingHolds %]and
> Transfer [% END %]All"
>> and
>>     msgid "Cancel hold and return to : [% overloo.branchname %]"
>>
>>
>> 7) Exclude URLs. Those are not content that should be translatable.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ystävällisin terveisin
>>
>> Pasi Kallinen
>> ICT-asiantuntija
>>
>> p. 0400-139747
>> pasi.kallinen at pttk.fi
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>> 80110  Joensuu
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