From Katrin.Fischer.83 at web.de  Sun Nov  1 12:35:38 2015
From: Katrin.Fischer.83 at web.de (Katrin Fischer)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:35:38 +0100
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translation very difficult if use some tags
 among text paragraph in html
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Hi Hector,

I know exactly what you talk about - it's often really hard to make
sense of those sentences that have been split by a <b> tag, a link or
similar.

I am not sure we can totally avoid these constructs, but it's certainly
something to keep in mind that can help make life easier for translators.

I'd love if we could find a way to parse those constructs better, so
they can be translated as one string/entry.

Katrin

Am 23.10.2015 um 19:57 schrieb Hector Castro:
> Hi Koha Developers
> 
> 
> I don't know if we can use another style when write down paragraphs;
> some html tags among paragraph, for example if we use <code> <abbr>,
> <strong>, <acronym> etc., are split in different entries in the po
> files, and this do the translation very hard, for example this bug
> <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14671>
> 
> In the new 3.22 exists another example:
> 
> koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt <http://about.tt>
> 
> lines 262-264
> 
> <td>You are missing the <strong>&lt;upload_path&gt;</strong> entry in
> your koha-conf.xml file. Please  add it, pointing to the configured file
> upload directory for your Koha instance. Also note that you need to
> properly set the <strong>OPACBaseURL</strong> preference for the file
> upload plugin to work.</td>
> 
> The generated PO file
> 
> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:255 <http://about.tt:255>
> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
> #, c-format
> msgid "You are missing the "
> msgstr "Falta la entrada "
> 
> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:255 <http://about.tt:255>
> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
> #, c-format
> msgid "&lt;upload_path&gt;"
> msgstr "&lt;upload_path&gt;"
> 
> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
> #, c-format
> msgid ""
> "entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please add it, pointing to the
> configured "
> "file upload directory for your Koha instance. Also note that you need to "
> "properly set the "
> msgstr ""
> 
> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:264 <http://about.tt:264>
> #, c-format
> msgid "OPACBaseURL"
> msgstr "OPACBaseURL"
> 
> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:264 <http://about.tt:264>
> #, c-format
> msgid "preference for the file upload plugin to work. "
> msgstr ""
> 
> Finally this end up in a nonsensical translation
> 
> IMHO, If developers can really take into consideration not to use this
> kind of paragraphs and -if possible- modify the coding guidelines in
> wiki page to reflect this.
> 
> Or if there are another option to do life easy for translators?...
> 
> Regards
> 
> -- 
> Atte,
> 
> Hector Eduardo Castro Avalos
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Koha-translate mailing list
> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
> website: www.koha-community.org
> git: git.koha-community.org
> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org
> 


From Viktor.Sarge at regionhalland.se  Mon Nov  2 09:21:29 2015
From: Viktor.Sarge at regionhalland.se (Viktor.Sarge at regionhalland.se)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 08:21:29 +0000
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translation very difficult if use some tags
 among text paragraph in html
References: <F6730182-7B6E-45D6-A88D-C283D99A43D0@regionhalland.se>
Message-ID: <BEF6D218-5438-41DE-A159-00437D656E99@regionhalland.se>

Is it a limitation in the .po file structure that breaks the translations at the tags - or is it a configurations issue? If those who are comfortable with html and other code could export with intact sentences that could be helpful. (And yes that link might require a warning label for those just starting out)

OR - is there a way to translate directly from the actual Koha interface? That could be highly useful when trying to iron out the quirks of a new translation. I know we have a few in sv-se stemming from the whole ?translating without context? issue. 

Kind regards/Viktor 

(meant for the list but accidentally replied only to Katrin)


> 
> 
> Viktor Sarge
> Utvecklingsledare
> Regionbibliotek Halland
> Kultur i Halland
> 
> TFN: 035-17 98 73
> E-POST: Viktor.Sarge at regionhalland.se
> BES?KSADRESS: S?dra v?gen 9, 30180 Halmstad
> WEBB: www.regionhalland.se/regionbibliotek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 1 nov 2015 kl. 12:35 skrev Katrin Fischer <Katrin.Fischer.83 at web.de>:
> 
>> Hi Hector,
>> 
>> I know exactly what you talk about - it's often really hard to make
>> sense of those sentences that have been split by a <b> tag, a link or
>> similar.
>> 
>> I am not sure we can totally avoid these constructs, but it's certainly
>> something to keep in mind that can help make life easier for translators.
>> 
>> I'd love if we could find a way to parse those constructs better, so
>> they can be translated as one string/entry.
>> 
>> Katrin
>> 
>> Am 23.10.2015 um 19:57 schrieb Hector Castro:
>>> Hi Koha Developers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know if we can use another style when write down paragraphs;
>>> some html tags among paragraph, for example if we use <code> <abbr>,
>>> <strong>, <acronym> etc., are split in different entries in the po
>>> files, and this do the translation very hard, for example this bug
>>> <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14671>
>>> 
>>> In the new 3.22 exists another example:
>>> 
>>> koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt <http://about.tt>
>>> 
>>> lines 262-264
>>> 
>>> <td>You are missing the <strong>&lt;upload_path&gt;</strong> entry in
>>> your koha-conf.xml file. Please  add it, pointing to the configured file
>>> upload directory for your Koha instance. Also note that you need to
>>> properly set the <strong>OPACBaseURL</strong> preference for the file
>>> upload plugin to work.</td>
>>> 
>>> The generated PO file
>>> 
>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:255 <http://about.tt:255>
>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
>>> #, c-format
>>> msgid "You are missing the "
>>> msgstr "Falta la entrada "
>>> 
>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:255 <http://about.tt:255>
>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
>>> #, c-format
>>> msgid "&lt;upload_path&gt;"
>>> msgstr "&lt;upload_path&gt;"
>>> 
>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
>>> #, c-format
>>> msgid ""
>>> "entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please add it, pointing to the
>>> configured "
>>> "file upload directory for your Koha instance. Also note that you need to "
>>> "properly set the "
>>> msgstr ""
>>> 
>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:264 <http://about.tt:264>
>>> #, c-format
>>> msgid "OPACBaseURL"
>>> msgstr "OPACBaseURL"
>>> 
>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:264 <http://about.tt:264>
>>> #, c-format
>>> msgid "preference for the file upload plugin to work. "
>>> msgstr ""
>>> 
>>> Finally this end up in a nonsensical translation
>>> 
>>> IMHO, If developers can really take into consideration not to use this
>>> kind of paragraphs and -if possible- modify the coding guidelines in
>>> wiki page to reflect this.
>>> 
>>> Or if there are another option to do life easy for translators?...
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Atte,
>>> 
>>> Hector Eduardo Castro Avalos
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Koha-translate mailing list
>>> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
>>> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
>>> website: www.koha-community.org
>>> git: git.koha-community.org
>>> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Koha-translate mailing list
>> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
>> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
>> website: www.koha-community.org
>> git: git.koha-community.org
>> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org
> 


From paivi.knuutinen at jns.fi  Wed Nov  4 14:08:06 2015
From: paivi.knuutinen at jns.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Knuutinen_P=E4ivi?=)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:08:06 +0000
Subject: [Koha-translate] no need to translate
Message-ID: <64B1C5AFD3B66F4DBFA3A3B3AC1BB12601509808D6@PT0220.ad.pohjoiskarjala.net>

Hi!

In the translation page, is there any way to get rid of those names of people and companies which do not need to be translated? There are quite many of those names.

P?ivi Knuutinen
kirjastovirkailija
Vaara-kirjastot
050 441 2247
paivi.knuutinen at jns.fi<mailto:paivi.knuutinen at jns.fi>

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From bgkriegel at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 14:41:44 2015
From: bgkriegel at gmail.com (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 10:41:44 -0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] no need to translate
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>
> In the translation page, is there any way to get rid of those names of
> people and companies which do not need to be translated? There are quite
> many of those names.
>
>
We can't currently get rid of them.
You can left them untranslated or just copy them (that's what I do).
There's a button (sort of, look for a '+' sign) for copy.

Regards
Bernardo
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From bgkriegel at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 12:41:26 2015
From: bgkriegel at gmail.com (Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:41:26 -0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] Strings for Koha 3.22
Message-ID: <CADF4kvS4gU9_YivS6o9pTojjLKDWGbqW6nZemjLxYOktf+o80A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
strings for 3.22 have been updated for the last time until release.

As with any new release, there are many strings to work with,
so lots of fun :)

Best regards,
Bernardo


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Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel
bgkriegel at gmail.com
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From tomascohen at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 13:05:22 2015
From: tomascohen at gmail.com (Tomas Cohen Arazi)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:05:22 -0300
Subject: [Koha-translate] Strings for Koha 3.22
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Thanks Bernardo!
El 20 nov. 2015 8:41 a. m., "Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel" <bgkriegel at gmail.com>
escribi?:

> Hi all,
> strings for 3.22 have been updated for the last time until release.
>
> As with any new release, there are many strings to work with,
> so lots of fun :)
>
> Best regards,
> Bernardo
>
>
> --
> Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel
> bgkriegel at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Koha-translate mailing list
> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
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> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org
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From Katrin.Fischer.83 at web.de  Fri Nov 20 20:31:29 2015
From: Katrin.Fischer.83 at web.de (Katrin Fischer)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:31:29 +0100
Subject: [Koha-translate] Translation very difficult if use some tags
 among text paragraph in html
In-Reply-To: <BEF6D218-5438-41DE-A159-00437D656E99@regionhalland.se>
References: <F6730182-7B6E-45D6-A88D-C283D99A43D0@regionhalland.se>
	<BEF6D218-5438-41DE-A159-00437D656E99@regionhalland.se>
Message-ID: <564F7511.4080804@web.de>

I suspect more a limitation of the scripts that generate our .po files
maybe. Parsing the strings out of the templates is quite a complicated
matter, so not sure how and if that can be improved.

I found 2 bugs with examples I had reported a little while ago:

Bug 14556 - Improve translatability of strings including links
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14556

Bug 14459 - Marking parts of text bold is bad for translation
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14459


Katrin

Am 02.11.2015 um 09:21 schrieb Viktor.Sarge at regionhalland.se:
> Is it a limitation in the .po file structure that breaks the translations at the tags - or is it a configurations issue? If those who are comfortable with html and other code could export with intact sentences that could be helpful. (And yes that link might require a warning label for those just starting out)
> 
> OR - is there a way to translate directly from the actual Koha interface? That could be highly useful when trying to iron out the quirks of a new translation. I know we have a few in sv-se stemming from the whole ?translating without context? issue. 
> 
> Kind regards/Viktor 
> 
> (meant for the list but accidentally replied only to Katrin)
> 
> 
>>
>>
>> Viktor Sarge
>> Utvecklingsledare
>> Regionbibliotek Halland
>> Kultur i Halland
>>
>> TFN: 035-17 98 73
>> E-POST: Viktor.Sarge at regionhalland.se
>> BES?KSADRESS: S?dra v?gen 9, 30180 Halmstad
>> WEBB: www.regionhalland.se/regionbibliotek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 nov 2015 kl. 12:35 skrev Katrin Fischer <Katrin.Fischer.83 at web.de>:
>>
>>> Hi Hector,
>>>
>>> I know exactly what you talk about - it's often really hard to make
>>> sense of those sentences that have been split by a <b> tag, a link or
>>> similar.
>>>
>>> I am not sure we can totally avoid these constructs, but it's certainly
>>> something to keep in mind that can help make life easier for translators.
>>>
>>> I'd love if we could find a way to parse those constructs better, so
>>> they can be translated as one string/entry.
>>>
>>> Katrin
>>>
>>> Am 23.10.2015 um 19:57 schrieb Hector Castro:
>>>> Hi Koha Developers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if we can use another style when write down paragraphs;
>>>> some html tags among paragraph, for example if we use <code> <abbr>,
>>>> <strong>, <acronym> etc., are split in different entries in the po
>>>> files, and this do the translation very hard, for example this bug
>>>> <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14671>
>>>>
>>>> In the new 3.22 exists another example:
>>>>
>>>> koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt <http://about.tt>
>>>>
>>>> lines 262-264
>>>>
>>>> <td>You are missing the <strong>&lt;upload_path&gt;</strong> entry in
>>>> your koha-conf.xml file. Please  add it, pointing to the configured file
>>>> upload directory for your Koha instance. Also note that you need to
>>>> properly set the <strong>OPACBaseURL</strong> preference for the file
>>>> upload plugin to work.</td>
>>>>
>>>> The generated PO file
>>>>
>>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:255 <http://about.tt:255>
>>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
>>>> #, c-format
>>>> msgid "You are missing the "
>>>> msgstr "Falta la entrada "
>>>>
>>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:255 <http://about.tt:255>
>>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
>>>> #, c-format
>>>> msgid "&lt;upload_path&gt;"
>>>> msgstr "&lt;upload_path&gt;"
>>>>
>>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:262 <http://about.tt:262>
>>>> #, c-format
>>>> msgid ""
>>>> "entry in your koha-conf.xml file. Please add it, pointing to the
>>>> configured "
>>>> "file upload directory for your Koha instance. Also note that you need to "
>>>> "properly set the "
>>>> msgstr ""
>>>>
>>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:264 <http://about.tt:264>
>>>> #, c-format
>>>> msgid "OPACBaseURL"
>>>> msgstr "OPACBaseURL"
>>>>
>>>> #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt:264 <http://about.tt:264>
>>>> #, c-format
>>>> msgid "preference for the file upload plugin to work. "
>>>> msgstr ""
>>>>
>>>> Finally this end up in a nonsensical translation
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, If developers can really take into consideration not to use this
>>>> kind of paragraphs and -if possible- modify the coding guidelines in
>>>> wiki page to reflect this.
>>>>
>>>> Or if there are another option to do life easy for translators?...
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Atte,
>>>>
>>>> Hector Eduardo Castro Avalos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Koha-translate mailing list
>>>> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
>>>> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
>>>> website: www.koha-community.org
>>>> git: git.koha-community.org
>>>> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Koha-translate mailing list
>>> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
>>> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
>>> website: www.koha-community.org
>>> git: git.koha-community.org
>>> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Koha-translate mailing list
> Koha-translate at lists.koha-community.org
> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate
> website: www.koha-community.org
> git: git.koha-community.org
> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org
>