https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29538 --- Comment #2 from John Fawcett <john@voipsupport.it> --- Hi John probably I misunderstood. I agreed with the suggestion to remove the language specific installer files in favour of using the english .yml file that would be translated on pootle, since this would mean being able to keep the Italian version more aligned to data structure changes in the English version. I was not aware that this meant that only MARC21 would be supported for Italian. I assumed that UNIMARC would also be supported. Is it possible to get UNIMARC back? Is it just a question of doing the translation on pootle and getting up published? If so I am more than willing to help out as I imagine other Italian users are too. Thanks John -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29538 --- Comment #4 from Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart+koha@gmail.com> --- I am sorry John for the misunderstanding. I thought you didn't need the UNIMARC frameworks from the Koha codebase because you were using yours. At the moment there is no way to have the UNIMARC frameworks installed in it-IT for 21.05 and 21.11 (or any other languages that fr-FR). But I will do my best to make them back in 22.05 It was a temporary removal anyway, the plan is to: 1. build the UNIMARC frameworks that are as close as possible to IFLA's 2. move them to the general directory to make them available for all languages 3. have the framework strings translatable on pootle I am in contact with Bernardo and will get back to you as soon as possible. I am focused on the 21.11 release right now but will hopefully have time to dedicate to this after the release. We will definitely need more hands to translate and check the process, so it's good to know you will be there! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29538 --- Comment #6 from John Fawcett <john@voipsupport.it> --- Jonathan The workaround sounds useful and hopefully means that effort can more profitably directed to the target solution rather than reverting changes. I appreciate that there are other priorities and that it may be a big job. But just to understand what's needed: the en UNIMARC directories are still sql based, so looks like first step is to move to .yml configurations. Then I think the task is to create files like these: /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/en-GB-installer-UNIMARC.po /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/it-IT-installer-UNIMARC.po Is that correct or am I underestimating the impacts? Are any updates needed to core code. I was assuming no, since the Italian MARC21 is getting installed with the localization strings, which I assume are coming from the combination of yml and /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/it-IT-installer-MARC21.po, since there are no longer specific sql files for it-IT. I guess, given there is a working version of it-IT UNIMARC on previous versions, that some kind of scripting can be done to create the yml and master pot files and draft translated po files from existing data. Do you already have such tools that maybe have been used to create MARC21 localization or is it all hand written? Thanks John -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29538 --- Comment #8 from Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart+koha@gmail.com> --- We need to create a UNIMARC framework that does not contain specificities, only things coming from the standard. Then yes, we need to build a yml file (Bernardo has scripts for that already I think). Once we have that (for biblios and authorities), we need to add them to installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/unimarc/ and it will then be available for the different languages. The translations will be then done on pootle, and it-IT-installer-UNIMARC.po will contain the strings when a new version is released. As I told you, Bernardo was working on it a couple of months ago, so some work have been done already. I am waiting for an answer from him to know what is still missing to provide a patch here. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29538 --- Comment #10 from John Fawcett <john@voipsupport.it> --- Manos. no, there was no discussion about removing UNIMARC. The discussion was about a more maintainable way of providing UNIMARC translations that keep in sync with the original template. With the then existing mechanism UNIMARC was no longer installing anyway for Italian and I submitted some fixes to realign the translated version with the baseline which meant that it was now installable again. (From this I gather that not many new installations were being done in Italian for UNIMARC, but not sure whether people didn't need it or they needed it but it wasn't working). The basic problem with the then existing approach is translations were in the code. Jonathan proposed an alternative approach which would mean all translations would be on pootle and there was only one version of the template in the code (so nothing in the code to get out of sync as had happened). I believe that is a good approach and gave my feedback on it. I don't know who was involved in the decision but I do know I was not the only person to be asked for feedback. Your question is related to the Italian version, but I believe the modification applies to all translated versions except English and French. I think the issue is not about the discussion that was done or with how many people it was done, but that not all the code changes needed were committed together. As Jonathan has said, there is however a workaround, since upgrades from previouos versions installed with UNIMARC are supported. John -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29538 Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart+koha@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE Status|NEW |RESOLVED --- Comment #11 from Jonathan Druart <jonathan.druart+koha@gmail.com> --- *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 30373 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.