http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 Liz Rea <liz@catalyst.net.nz> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |liz@catalyst.net.nz --- Comment #1 from Liz Rea <liz@catalyst.net.nz> --- Just as the devils advocate - if a librarian has to do something with an item (such as check it in from a transfer) that could conceivably be understood as a local use - the librarian had to use it to get it back on the shelf, just like they would have if they had picked up the item off of a table after a patron had used it and not put it away. I guess what I am saying is, we would need a concrete idea of what exactly librarians mean, and what counts as a local use. I would want to hear this information from actual in the field librarians. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 --- Comment #3 from Nicole C. Engard <nengard@gmail.com> --- Response from a library: ---------- Yes, we had the same problem and turn off the setting and went back to a user account to count in house use. Our problem is that it inflates the number both when holds are check in and when items in transit are checked in. We went from and average in house of 2 to 3 thousand per library to over 50 thousand. That was because it was count transit check in and holds. Alex Hatley Library Technology Manager Corpus Christi Public Libraries -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 Christopher Brannon <cbrannon@cdalibrary.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |cbrannon@cdalibrary.org --- Comment #5 from Christopher Brannon <cbrannon@cdalibrary.org> --- I think it should be up to the library (consortium) as to what should be counted as local use. I can agree on both sides about staff handling books that are transferred. I think the absolute best solution for this issue is that there needs to be a new admin option on what to count as local use. One could argue, if scanning a book that is returning from a transfer is local use, than why wouldn't inventory scanning? Why is handling and scanning in one situation different from another? But then again, if you are only wanting to get a count of actual patron uses outside of issues, why count non patron handling? Christopher -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 --- Comment #7 from Nicole C. Engard <nengard@gmail.com> --- Another via email: ----------------- It seems to me that "local use" is pretty clearly defined in libraryland. What Liz is describing is not local use, it's local handling. Not the same thing. I would be in favor of measuring legitimate, actual local use. Inflating use stats is dishonest and counterproductive in the long run. My opinion only. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 --- Comment #9 from Nicole C. Engard <nengard@gmail.com> --- Another email: -------- The question is do we follow the letter or the spirit of the rule. The spirit of local use is actual local use by you know, a human patron, the letter of the rule says if it was touched in any way that counts as local use. I vote that the rule should follow the spirit not the letter. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |chris@bigballofwax.co.nz --- Comment #11 from Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> --- Right, so it's pretty clear that since at least one library is using it in the way it was written to work changing it first everyone would be a regression. One of the important things with koha is that it works for your library, not how someone else, not even another library, thinks it should work. So we will need to change the behaviour in a way that means it can still work the way it does, as we as be able to work the new way. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 --- Comment #13 from Nicole C. Engard <nengard@gmail.com> --- Comment via email: ------- Hi Nicole, Our library sponsored this development and first I want to say that has been working out really well for us. Although we do have two branches, we don't have a lot of books in transit, so we wouldn't see our local use inflated much from books in transit. Given that, we see no problem in changing the way local use works to not count books in transit. However, we would still like books that have a hold on them to have a local use recorded when checked in. For us, it's just a matter of how our library works and the way we use holds. Given that, I'd like to recommend that if changes are made, they be made as additional system preferences to allow libraries the option to opt in our out of the changes. Thanks for sending this out for comment, Amber -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 --- Comment #15 from Chris Cormack <chris@bigballofwax.co.nz> --- (In reply to comment #14)

I agree with those that have argued that the concept of "in house use" is well-established in Library Land. This should be recording actual use of those items that don't necessarily check out of the library, but are used and re-shelved by staff (usually).

This information can assist alot when weeding non-circulating collections or those areas, often children's items or non-fiction that are used in the building.

A solution of having a variety of sys prefs that deal with various options would work for all, but we really need to fix things now. We changed our sys pref because we didn't realize Koha would begin counting the incoming transfers, etc., and now our statistics are compromised.

Excellent it sounds like you will be willing to sponsor a developer to write a patch to implement the new sysprefs then? Or even better someone from your library doing the patch? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 Nicole C. Engard <nengard@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|ASSIGNED |NEW -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.

http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9717 Cab Vinton <bibliwho@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bibliwho@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.