[Bug 15640] New: Accessibility - ensuring that the title of a link shows up on hover
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 Bug ID: 15640 Summary: Accessibility - ensuring that the title of a link shows up on hover Change sponsored?: --- Product: Koha Version: unspecified Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: enhancement Priority: P5 - low Component: Staff Client Assignee: koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org Reporter: aleishaamohia@hotmail.com QA Contact: testopia@bugs.koha-community.org CC: gmcharlt@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 Aleisha Amohia <aleishaamohia@hotmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |Needs Signoff -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 --- Comment #1 from Aleisha Amohia <aleishaamohia@hotmail.com> --- Created attachment 47150 --> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=47150&action=edit Bug 15640 - Title for links on circulation-home.tt To test: Go to Circulation and ensure that every link shows text on hover. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 --- Comment #2 from Aleisha Amohia <aleishaamohia@hotmail.com> --- Created attachment 47151 --> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=47151&action=edit Bug 15640: Title for links on main page of intranet To test: Go to main page and ensure that text shows on hover of links -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|koha-bugs@lists.koha-commun |aleishaamohia@hotmail.com |ity.org | Version|unspecified |master --- Comment #3 from Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> --- I'm sorry, but I disagree with these changes. I don't think they add any functionality or improve accessibility. https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2010/11/using-the-html-title-attribute/ ...which quotes the W3C: "Relying on the title attribute is currently discouraged as many user agents do not expose the attribute in an accessible manner as required by this specification (e.g. requiring a pointing device such as a mouse to cause a tooltip to appear, which excludes keyboard-only users and touch-only users, such as anyone with a modern phone or tablet)." https://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#the-title-attribute -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos <hector.hecaxmmx@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |hector.hecaxmmx@gmail.com Status|Needs Signoff |In Discussion --- Comment #4 from Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos <hector.hecaxmmx@gmail.com> --- (In reply to Owen Leonard from comment #3)
I'm sorry, but I disagree with these changes. I don't think they add any functionality or improve accessibility.
https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2010/11/using-the-html-title-attribute/
...which quotes the W3C:
"Relying on the title attribute is currently discouraged as many user agents do not expose the attribute in an accessible manner as required by this specification (e.g. requiring a pointing device such as a mouse to cause a tooltip to appear, which excludes keyboard-only users and touch-only users, such as anyone with a modern phone or tablet)."
https://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#the-title-attribute
Hi Owen What do you suggest to use instead? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 --- Comment #5 from Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> --- (In reply to Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos from comment #4)
What do you suggest to use instead?
What problem are we trying to solve? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 --- Comment #6 from Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos <hector.hecaxmmx@gmail.com> --- (In reply to Owen Leonard from comment #5)
(In reply to Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos from comment #4)
What do you suggest to use instead?
What problem are we trying to solve?
The accessibility, for example an image need "alt" attibute or we don't need nothing here because this is redundant like Isofarro explain in this post <http://accessibilitytips.com/2008/04/14/avoiding-redundant-title-attributes/> Regards -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 --- Comment #7 from Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> --- (In reply to Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos from comment #6)
The accessibility, for example an image need "alt" attibute or we don't need nothing here because this is redundant like Isofarro explain in this post
I don't think that post makes a good case for use of the title attribute. I'm not sure why you mention the "alt" attribute, since that's a completely different issue. The text of a link should express what its purpose is. In cases where the text of the link is not clear, adding a title attribute isn't going to do much, if anything, to help. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 --- Comment #8 from Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos <hector.hecaxmmx@gmail.com> --- (In reply to Owen Leonard from comment #7)
I don't think that post makes a good case for use of the title attribute. I'm not sure why you mention the "alt" attribute, since that's a completely different issue.
I didn't express my ideas properly.
The text of a link should express what its purpose is. In cases where the text of the link is not clear, adding a title attribute isn't going to do much, if anything, to help.
Amen to that -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 --- Comment #9 from Aleisha Amohia <aleishaamohia@hotmail.com> --- My entire reason for this patch was that some of the links had title tags and some didn't on circulation-home.tt. I thought adding titles to all of them would add consistency and maybe be more semantically correct. I do understand if you don't see the point of this patch, but the point was, if we have it for some of them we should have it for all of them. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15640 --- Comment #10 from Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos <hector.hecaxmmx@gmail.com> --- For(In reply to Aleisha Amohia from comment #9)
My entire reason for this patch was that some of the links had title tags and some didn't on circulation-home.tt. I thought adding titles to all of them would add consistency and maybe be more semantically correct. I do understand if you don't see the point of this patch, but the point was, if we have it for some of them we should have it for all of them.
In my opinion your point of view it is Ok. If Owen give you another Ok i'll sign-off. On the contrary, we need to remove the title attribute from other links you found out. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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