[Bug 24868] New: When CircControl or ReservesControlBranch are enforced based on item location limits are enforced per library
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Bug ID: 24868 Summary: When CircControl or ReservesControlBranch are enforced based on item location limits are enforced per library Change sponsored?: --- Product: Koha Version: master Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P5 - low Component: Circulation Assignee: koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org Reporter: andrew@bywatersolutions.com QA Contact: testopia@bugs.koha-community.org CC: gmcharlt@gmail.com, kyle.m.hall@gmail.com Here's the situation: - Library has Branch A and Branch B - Library has ReservesControlBranch set to enforce based on item home library - Library has circ rule for all branches / all patrons / itype DVD that has max of 1 hold allowed - Patron is allowed to place 1 hold on a DVD from Branch A AND 1 hold on a DVD from Branch B This same logic applies to other parts of the circ and fine rules that are enforcing counts - holds per day, current checkouts allowed, total current checkouts allowed, maximum holds allowed, etc. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Andrew Fuerste-Henry <andrew@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |nick@bywatersolutions.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Andrew Fuerste-Henry <andrew@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|When CircControl or |When CircControl or |ReservesControlBranch are |ReservesControlBranch are |enforced based on item |enforced based on item, |location limits are |location limits are |enforced per library |enforced per library -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Andrew Fuerste-Henry <andrew@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Assignee|koha-bugs@lists.koha-commun |nick@bywatersolutions.com |ity.org | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Nick Clemens <nick@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jonathan.druart@bugs.koha-c | |ommunity.org, | |katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de, | |martin.renvoize@ptfs-europe | |.com, tomascohen@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 --- Comment #1 from Andrew Fuerste-Henry <andrew@bywatersolutions.com> --- Clarifying a bit, we at ByWater have talked this one back and forth and are fairly uncertain about it. We agree that this behavior isn't really what one would logically assume based on how rules are presented. But is this behavior correct? Is it what libraries want? There may not be a universal agreement to be found. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Martha Fuerst <mfuerst@hmcpl.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mfuerst@hmcpl.org --- Comment #2 from Martha Fuerst <mfuerst@hmcpl.org> --- I could come up with scenarios where a consortium using one instance of Koha may want this to behave as is, but speaking from the perspective of a system with multiple locations, it's not how we would interpret it "should" behave. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Daniel Gaghan <daniel.gaghan@pueblolibrary.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |daniel.gaghan@pueblolibrary | |.org --- Comment #3 from Daniel Gaghan <daniel.gaghan@pueblolibrary.org> --- PCCLD is seeing this issue with a number of our users placing an excessive amount of holds and filling up the hold shelves. It is also an issue because we have several locations that are non-floating and we need the rules of the non-floating library followed over the rules of the patron's library. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 --- Comment #4 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- If I understand correctly, to me the current behavour is correct for me. As the "All libraries" rule is not really over "All libraries" but "Fallback to be used when no rule for the specific library is set". And we explain this on the top of the page, so I think changing it would go against that. I think if we wanted a 'total hold allowed over all libraries for a specific itemtype' we'd need a new setting. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 --- Comment #5 from Nick Clemens <nick@bywatersolutions.com> --- Created attachment 105356 --> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=105356&action=edit The different queries used to count holds vs issues You can see that for issues, if using a default rule we remove the branch restriction from the search. For reserves we don't make this distinction, this is the cause of the behaviour here that is not explained in the text on the page i.e. that reserves control changes the way holds are counted. Additionally, looking at the holds counting, the check for matching borrowers.branchcode is a tautology - find holds where the borrower's branchcode is the borrower's branchcode :-) We don't bother with this check in the issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Nick Clemens <nick@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See Also| |https://bugs.koha-community | |.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi | |?id=25643 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Kyle M Hall <kyle@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kyle@bywatersolutions.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Joonas Kylmälä <joonas.kylmala@helsinki.fi> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See Also| |https://bugs.koha-community | |.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi | |?id=27834 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Joonas Kylmälä <joonas.kylmala@helsinki.fi> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |joonas.kylmala@helsinki.fi --- Comment #6 from Joonas Kylmälä <joonas.kylmala@helsinki.fi> --- Hi, (In reply to Andrew Fuerste-Henry from comment #0)
This same logic applies to other parts of the circ and fine rules that are enforcing counts - holds per day, current checkouts allowed, total current checkouts allowed, maximum holds allowed, etc.
The current checkouts allowed part seems to be actually due to a bug, please see bug 27834 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Ray Delahunty <r.delahunty@arts.ac.uk> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |r.delahunty@arts.ac.uk -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24868 Cindy Murdock Ames <cmurdock@ccfls.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |cmurdock@ccfls.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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