[Bug 22232] New: Advanced Cataloguing Editor (Rancor) to edit authority records?
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Bug ID: 22232 Summary: Advanced Cataloguing Editor (Rancor) to edit authority records? Change sponsored?: --- Product: Koha Version: unspecified Hardware: All OS: All Status: NEW Severity: new feature Priority: P5 - low Component: Cataloging Assignee: koha-bugs@lists.koha-community.org Reporter: clopez@dml.vic.edu.au QA Contact: testopia@bugs.koha-community.org CC: m.de.rooy@rijksmuseum.nl Target Milestone: --- Dear colleagues How hard would it be to allow Rancor to edit authority records? Regards, Carlos Lopez Dalton McCaughey Library -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de --- Comment #1 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- Hi Carlos, not a lot of people read the bug email - maybe ask the mailing list in parallel. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #2 from Carlos Lopez <clopez@dml.vic.edu.au> --- (In reply to Katrin Fischer from comment #1)
Hi Carlos, not a lot of people read the bug email - maybe ask the mailing list in parallel.
Thanks Katrin I'll do that. c. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Josef Moravec <josef.moravec@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |josef.moravec@gmail.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Heather <heather_hernandez@nps.gov> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |heather_hernandez@nps.gov -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #3 from Heather <heather_hernandez@nps.gov> --- I would LOVE to have an "Advanced Authority Editor" for authority records. Editing authorities with all the many, many, many tabs that have to be clicked through...wait to load...wait to load...ALL the clicking load, clicking load, clicking load...it makes editing an authority record very laborious, very tedious, and very slow. Considering that most authority records are very short, it really drags out the process to edit them. A typical edit that I do is to add a locally used term into a 4XX field, with a 667 note, and a $d code in the 040, and that could sometimes take less than a minute if I could use an advanced editor for that rather than having to use the very slow and laborious basic editor. Rather than dealing with the slowness of the basic editor interface, I'll use other tools to download an aut record, edit it, then import it and overlay it. (Which, of course, also takes a while since we don't have a gateway export interface for authorities, but that's another bug that needs to be written.) I would VERY much appreciate an advanced editor being developed for authority records. Or is it an impossible dream to have just one editor, and you edit any kind of record in it that you want--bibs, items, auts, patrons...? (I would so love that.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|Advanced Cataloguing Editor |Use Advanced cataloguing |(Rancor) to edit authority |editor (Rancor) for |records? |authority records -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 David Cook <dcook@prosentient.com.au> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dcook@prosentient.com.au -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Afroditi Fragkou <infoscienceaddict@gmail.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |infoscienceaddict@gmail.com --- Comment #4 from Afroditi Fragkou <infoscienceaddict@gmail.com> --- Couldn't agree more. In fact, if this was to be considered a different bug, I believe it could get many votes from a lot of cataloguers I know... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #5 from Heather <heather_hernandez@nps.gov> --- There is another reason this would be fantastic to have: sometimes authorities are entered with the wrong 1XX field. For example, the correct subject heading is: 650 _ 0 $aAubrey, Jack (Fictitious character) But a cataloger could think, "Hmmm...it's a name...I'll enter it:" 600 10 $aAubrey, Jack $c(Fictitious character) And maybe even create an authority record for it off of that bib resulting in an authority record with this: 100 10 $aAubrey, Jack $c(Fictitious character) If you're an OCLC library, it's an easy fix--put this field into the OCLC record: 010 _ _ $ash 92000670 Overlay the correct authority record over the wrong local record, and, voila! The linked bib's 600 is corrected. But what about ALL the non-OCLC libraries? What about those who don't have easy access to aut records to import? Wouldn't it be wonderful to be able to simple go into the aut record in an advanced editor and type over the incorrect 100 with the correct: 150 _ 0 $aAubrey, Jack (Fictitious character) I know the priority is low. It's a feature that appeals to a small portion of users. But I bet if you measured the work hours saved, it would be HUGE. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 David Nind <david@davidnind.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |david@davidnind.com Priority|P5 - low |P3 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Anthony Morris- Orem Public Library <amorris@orem.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |amorris@orem.org --- Comment #6 from Anthony Morris- Orem Public Library <amorris@orem.org> --- This would be enormously helpful at our library. Our cataloging invests a great deal of time making sure our authority records are accurate and up to date, and the ability to use the advanced editor in authorities would save SO much time. We would LOVE this! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 slmontesdeoca@orem.org changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |slmontesdeoca@orem.org --- Comment #7 from slmontesdeoca@orem.org --- My cataloging team and I are very interested in having the ability to edit authority records using the advanced editor. We are very focused on improving our authority database and being able to edit the authorities easier would be a big step in achieving that goal. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Lucas Gass <lucas@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lucas@bywatersolutions.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Lauren Denny <lauren_denny@sil.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lauren_denny@sil.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Kristi <kkrueger@cuyahogalibrary.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kkrueger@cuyahogalibrary.or | |g -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #8 from Kristi <kkrueger@cuyahogalibrary.org> --- The cataloging team at my library would also love to have the ability to edit authority records using the advanced editor. I'll watch for updates to this bug report. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 lthorrat@cuyahogalibrary.org <lthorrat@cuyahogalibrary.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lthorrat@cuyahogalibrary.or | |g -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 koha-US bug tracker <bugzilla@koha-us.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |bugzilla@koha-us.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Keith D. <kdembek@sjcfl.us> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kdembek@sjcfl.us --- Comment #9 from Keith D. <kdembek@sjcfl.us> --- Add us to the list of libraries whose catalogers would really enjoy this feature. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Lisette Scheer <lisette.scheer@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- URL| |https://bywatersolutions.co | |m/crowdsourcing/advanced-ed | |itor Change sponsored?|--- |Seeking cosponsors CC| |lisette.scheer@bywatersolut | |ions.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Esther Melander <esther.melander@bywatersolutions.com> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |esther.melander@bywatersolu | |tions.com -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Chip Halvorsen <Chip.Halvorsen@WestlakeLibrary.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |Chip.Halvorsen@WestlakeLibr | |ary.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Eric Phetteplace <ephetteplace@cca.edu> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ephetteplace@cca.edu -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Miranda Nero <mnero@oslri.net> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mnero@oslri.net -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
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https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Michelle Spinney <mspinney@clamsnet.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mspinney@clamsnet.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Gretchen Maxeiner <maxeinergl@gcc.edu> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |maxeinergl@gcc.edu -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 cgresser <cgresser@jesuit.org.uk> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |cgresser@jesuit.org.uk --- Comment #10 from cgresser <cgresser@jesuit.org.uk> --- Hello, This has been a request for enhancement since 2019, but I do wonder how hard it would be to give the Advanced Editor a link/a feature to search for/or "Link authorities automatically"? I also wonder how many programmers think that the "Basic search" is the normal search, and only mad cataloguers would use the "Advanced Editor". I would say that the "Advanced Editor" is what most cataloguers use, as this gives you an overview of the record in one view, and you don't need to "go around the houses", by clicking from tab to tab of the "Basic editor". This is the one thing (in terms) of needs of a professional cataloguer that lets down the _experience_ of using Koha for cataloguing down. The time it will save professional cataloguers, as they don't have to toggle between "Advanced Editor" and "Basic" would be huge. It would make Koha the efficient LMS it wants to be. Many thanks for considering this, and hopefully giving this a higher priority. Clemens -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #11 from Eric Phetteplace <ephetteplace@cca.edu> ---
I do wonder how hard it would be to give the Advanced Editor a link/a feature to search for/or "Link authorities automatically"?
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Would the feature allow you to look up a matching authority from a 1XX or 6XX field and fill its matching ID number into the $9 subfield? The advanced editor doesn't do anything like that, all the editor plugins and lookup features are in the basic editor, so it might be challenging. You may be able to accomplish something similar with settings like AutoLinkBiblios, CatalogModuleRelink, and LinkerRelink which all deal with automatically linking fields to authorities. In any case, it is likely a different enough feature that it requires a new feature request. We'd also like to be able to edit authorities with the advanced editor, for what it's worth. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes. You are the assignee for the bug.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #12 from cgresser <cgresser@jesuit.org.uk> --- Sorry not to be clear. In the end I don't mind whether the "Advanced editor" had (as the "Basic Editor") a "Link authorities automatically" - that's the function provided by Koha, but only via the "Basic Editor", or whether it would even give a line by line check, i.e. the cursor is on a, say, 1xx, 6xx or 7xx line, and you can hit a key, and Koha checks this heading for a possible authority, and then adds it. Any improve from within the "Advanced Editor" would be great, as cataloguing in the "Advanced Editor" always means that at some point the cataloguer needs to switch to "Basic editor", and even if you have saved the record a warning pop-up comes up "Any changes will not be saved. Continue?", then click on "Link authorities automatically" in "Basic Editor", then potentially deal with problems like "More authorities are matching..." So in the end: any improvement to allow authorities to be checked, automatically matched/updated from the "Advanced Editor" would be more efficient, and less cumbersome for a professional cataloguer doing their work. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #13 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- I am not sure if I am understanding correctly, but I feel like the ideas for handling authority linking in the advanced cataloguing editor should go on a separate bug report which would also give them more visibility. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #14 from Gretchen Maxeiner <maxeinergl@gcc.edu> --- I'll mention that there is Bug 29497 - "Add ability to link authorities automatically in the advanced editor" that might be of interest. I have a strong interest in an advanced editor for authorities. Aside from the other reasons mentioned, it would also allow cutting/pasting from the (advanced editor) catalog record directly into a new authority record. the text string of that heading field is exactly the same in the bib and in the authority. This would save so much time and risk of error compared with the parsing pieces out into subfield boxes that we do now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #15 from Katrin Fischer <katrin.fischer@bsz-bw.de> --- (In reply to Gretchen Maxeiner from comment #14)
I'll mention that there is Bug 29497 - "Add ability to link authorities automatically in the advanced editor" that might be of interest.
Great, thanks Gretchen! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 --- Comment #16 from cgresser <cgresser@jesuit.org.uk> --- Thank you Katrin and Gretchen. My bad for not seeing Bug 29497 before. That would make a real difference to our workflows when cataloguing. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22232 Melissa <mwalker@akronlibrary.org> changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mwalker@akronlibrary.org --- Comment #17 from Melissa <mwalker@akronlibrary.org> --- I would LOVE "advanced" editor for authorities. Clicking through the tabs is tedious because I can read and understand the marc in its entirety. Looking at an authority has become arduous. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are watching all bug changes.
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