How many of "these" are there to change? Not that the work itself will be massive, but putting a 'they' in the middle of a sentence does not make it easy to translate intuitively, I would think. If it's a consideration (it is for non-English users, at least). Philippe Blouin, Responsable du développement informatique Tél. : (888) 604-2627 philippe.blouin@inLibro.com <mailto:philippe.blouin@inLibro.com> inLibro | pour esprit libre | www.inLibro.com <http://www.inLibro.com> On 04/19/2017 01:16 PM, Jonathan Druart wrote:
The next step would be to provide a check to our QA tests to make sure we will not introduce future occurrences. I am pretty sure they will not be caught manually by QAers.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 at 13:56 Eric Phetteplace <ephetteplace@cca.edu <mailto:ephetteplace@cca.edu>> wrote:
Hi Paul,
English has a singular "they". It doesn't suggest androgyny, either, from the definitions I've seen. For instance, Oxford English Dictionary:
2. In anaphoric reference to a singular noun or pronoun of undetermined gender: he or she.
The first usage example OED provides is from 1375. I don't think replacing "he" with "she" addresses the problem, it's still assuming a default gender. It's not too much tricker to search code for he/him & replace with they/them but that's also just an implementation issue, not a policy one.
It sounds like people are otherwise supportive but I'm not sure what the next step should be.
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On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Paul A <paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com <mailto:paul.a@navalmarinearchive.com>> wrote:
On 2017-04-18 08:25 PM, Eric Phetteplace wrote:
Hi list,
I opened bug
[snip]
Before*:*
"Kid growing and become a juvenile, he should pay "
After:
"Kid growing and become a juvenile, they should pay "
Political correctness has never been my strong point (although I try to understand it), but I'm proficient in grammatical rigour. [1]
"Kid" is a singular noun, "a" is a singular article -- "they" is a plural pronoun. Perhaps replace "they" with "[s]he"? or "Kids growing and becoming juveniles, they should pay"?
From a code maintenance p.o.v., it's easier to find and replace 'he' with '[s]he' if really this becomes a priority for Koha.
Best -- Paul
[1] I am aware of the so-called "singular third person epicene 'they'", but academically object to it -- it often suggests androgyny rather than gender neutrality.
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