Hi all, If the community wants to stick around with mailman, i can certainly dedicate and administer a small VM (4vcpu / 8G / 150GB ssd / Ubuntu 24.04) located in Europe with the ssh access shared with all the current / future k-c listadmins. Back in the days i've hosted and managed several m/ls for indian linux users and foss groups on mailman and before that on majordomo. So, while I'm not currently running any mailman instance, this wont be my first rodeo ;-) cheers idg -- Indranil Das Gupta L2C2 Technologies Phone : +91-98300-20971 WWW : http://www.l2c2.co.in Blog : http://blog.l2c2.co.in IRC : indradg on irc://irc.freenode.net Twitter : indradg On Fri, 20 Mar 2026, 15:51 Paul Poulain via Koha-devel, < koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> wrote:
No-one has an opinion ?
Mine is that prefer to move to mailmanlists.net and loose the archive links:
- archive is still here, it will be indexed by bots - there are not so many critical backlinks - no-one else is willing to manage a server, mailmanlists.net cost 40€/year, nothing can beat it !
The topic is added to nextweek hackfest (and it includes *@ lists.koha-community.org)
Cheers, Le 19/03/2026 à 05:49, Simon Blake a écrit :
Feedback from mailmanlists.net is that the the url changes are an expected side effect of the way they import the existing list - they regenerate the archive from scratch from the .mbox file, so they assert there is nothing they can do to ensure archive links continue to work. This feels a little arbitrary - the archive is just a tree of HTML in the filesystem, there's no obvious reason it could't be copied from the old system (as you'd do if you were moving from one server to another).
So all opinons welcome. The current server goes away at the end of the month, Koha can
- continue with maIlmanlists.net and accept the link breakage - move/recreate the vm somewhere else, with intact archive - something else ?
Cheers Simon
On Thu, Mar 19, 2026, at 1:18 PM, Simon Blake via Koha-devel wrote:
After mulling that choice for a few minutes, I concluded that reverting is the prudent approach - losing subscription changes and archives of messages from the past 12 hours is better than invalidating every external link into the archive.
So I've reverted the DNS back to the old server while we sort this out. Pathing in to archives will fix itself as DNS caches time out.
Cheers Simon
On Thu, Mar 19, 2026, at 12:51 PM, Simon Blake via Koha-devel wrote:
That's a fine question, good spotting! The new server is a managed service (on mailmanlists.net), so we don't get direct access to it. That said, even if we did, a redirect would be kind of difficult, as it's not just the path - the endpoint HTML file names in the archive have also changed (ie
https://oldlists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2025-February/061229.html
has become
https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2025-February/056688.html
Since Paul is likely asleep, I've contacted the support folks at mailmanlists.net to see what they can do (they're in Sydney NSW).
Comparing the two archives, it looks like there hasn't been a posting
Question for you folks, if MML.net come back and say "nothing we can do, suck it up cupcake", then what is the feeling of the koha project to that? I can revert the DNS changes back to the old server, which will obviously fix all the broken links, but will drop any messages sent to the list since the change from the old archive (currently only the last two messages on https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2026-March/date.html#start )
Cheers Simon
On Thu, Mar 19, 2026, at 11:41 AM, David Cook via Koha-devel wrote:
By the way, it looks like a lot of old links are broken now like https://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2025-February/061229.html
Are there plans to do a redirect?
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-----Original Message----- From: Koha-devel <koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org> On Behalf Of Paul Poulain via Koha-devel Sent: Wednesday, 18 March 2026 7:29 PM To: koha-devel <koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org> Subject: [Koha-devel] koha mailing list moved, who is admin ?
Hello all,
The https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha has been moved from a katipo server to mailmanlists.net provider (BibLibre paying the bill).
I have forwarded the admin password to @rangi (Chris C.) , I have it too.
@RACHEL = do you want to still be admin ?
@KOHA-DEVEL = anyone else should be ? Something to be discussed/decided during the next general meeting ?
Note that, next week during the hackfest, we may move @ lists.koha-community.org lists to this provider as well.
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