Hello I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news and we'd like to know who the winner was. Kind Regards r. -- http://www.menttes.com _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha.org http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote:
I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news and we'd like to know who the winner was.
I think a lot of the current www.koha.org writers would also love to know! Anyone? Thanks, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237
MJ Ray escribió:
Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote:
I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news and we'd like to know who the winner was.
I think a lot of the current www.koha.org writers would also love to know! Anyone?
Thanks,
PIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!!!!!!!!!! Any news ?... Who is the person in charge ? Kind Regards r. -- http://menttes.com
Roberto Allende wrote:
MJ Ray escribió:
Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote:
I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news and we'd like to know who the winner was.
I think a lot of the current www.koha.org writers would also love to know! Anyone?
Thanks,
PIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!!!!!!!!!!
Any news ?... Who is the person in charge ?
Oh one of the tricky questions :-) Liblime have been working on the new Plone website I think including implementing a design so hopefully Joshua might be able to fill you in on where that is at. My understanding is that everyone's been very busy so it may not have progressed as far as he'd hoped. There wasn't an outright winner that I'm aware of - but there was some voting and commenting so perhaps the results of that process could be made public/available to you. Cheers Rachel
Kind Regards r.
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Rachel Hamilton-Williams <rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
Roberto Allende wrote:
MJ Ray escribió:
Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote:
I'm writing to ask about the Plone Koha Contest, we didn't get any news and we'd like to know who the winner was.
I think a lot of the current www.koha.org writers would also love to know! Anyone?
Thanks,
PIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!!!!!!!!!!
Any news ?... Who is the person in charge ?
Oh one of the tricky questions :-) Liblime have been working on the new Plone website I think including implementing a design so hopefully Joshua might be able to fill you in on where that is at. My understanding is that everyone's been very busy so it may not have progressed as far as he'd hoped.
There wasn't an outright winner that I'm aware of - but there was some voting and commenting so perhaps the results of that process could be made public/available to you.
The bottom line is that the core Koha development community expressed dissatisfaction with all of the submitted designs, and we didn't plan for a scenerio where no-one liked any of them; for that reason, I hesitated to publish the results of our voting process. We're still planning to proceed with Plone, but we've had other priorities (like the release of Koha 3.0) that have prevented us from focusing our attention on what to do with the koha.org Plone migration. Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone template; others have suggested we pick one of the submitted designs even though we didn't like them, just to move things forward; others have suggested we run another contest or perhaps just select someone to pay to design a koha.org site that the community is happy with. So there are lots of ideas, but I think most of us have been too busy to execute them. So Koha community, how shall we proceed? Cheers, -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE CEO migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
Joshua Ferraro escribió:
The bottom line is that the core Koha development community expressed dissatisfaction with all of the submitted designs, and we didn't plan for a scenerio where no-one liked any of them; for that reason, I hesitated to publish the results of our voting process.
We're still planning to proceed with Plone, but we've had other priorities (like the release of Koha 3.0) that have prevented us from focusing our attention on what to do with the koha.org Plone migration.
Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone template; others have suggested we pick one of the submitted designs even though we didn't like them, just to move things forward; others have suggested we run another contest or perhaps just select someone to pay to design a koha.org site that the community is happy with. So there are lots of ideas, but I think most of us have been too busy to execute them.
So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
Cheers,
As a person who invested time in the contest i'd like to add my points of view. It would be great if what the participants did solve the problem and that's our philosophy every time we start a project. BUT in this case you should divide the issues. From my point of view there are two sides: 1. The contest Here you announced a contest, deadlines to meet, an award to be given to the winner. Basically you assumed a commitment, besides the community likes or not the work done you should close the contest, to announce who the winner is, give the award to him/her. 2. The Koha website Since i'm not contributor of Koha i don't feel i'm the right person to tell what to do, but definitely you shouldn't mix this problem with the contest. If you were a customer i would tell you before call the Plone developers, call an artist or make a mockup and agree about it. I think this is the first thing to do, who you do this will depend of how your community works, resources you have, etc. If you believe i can be of any help here, don't hesitate to ask but that will be something i'll do in person. In the contest i involved a team and the answer you're giving to me is not acceptable for the team. Kind Regards r. -- http://robertoallende.com
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone template;
That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later, especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned. I agree with Roberto that the issues should be divided: the problems with the proposed Plone templates should not stop us from moving forward with the plan to switch to Plone. Nicolas
others have suggested we pick one of the submitted designs even though we didn't like them, just to move things forward; others have suggested we run another contest or perhaps just select someone to pay to design a koha.org site that the community is happy with. So there are lots of ideas, but I think most of us have been too busy to execute them.
So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
Cheers,
-- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE CEO migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha.org http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
Ditto - we need to get the Plone site up and running. My suggestion is one of two. Put the site up ASAP with any template we can find and then: a) reopen the contest and let those who participated hear our concerns/suggestions so that they can improve on their first attempts and advertise the contest more widely to have a larger selection of options at the end b) pick a template from the contestants and use that for now while we decide what needs to be improved --- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/ On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Nicolas Morin <nicolas.morin@biblibre.com>wrote:
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone template;
That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later, especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned. I agree with Roberto that the issues should be divided: the problems with the proposed Plone templates should not stop us from moving forward with the plan to switch to Plone. Nicolas
others have suggested we pick one of the submitted designs even though we didn't like them, just to move things forward; others have suggested we run another contest or perhaps just select someone to pay to design a koha.org site that the community is happy with. So there are lots of ideas, but I think most of us have been too busy to execute them.
So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
Cheers,
-- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE CEO migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha.org http://lists.koha.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel
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Nicolas Morin a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone template;
That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later, especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.
+1 -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc NOUVEAU TELEPHONE : 04 91 81 35 08
Now that 3.0 is out - it's time to decide what we're going to do about the Plone migration - we don't really have a consensus here. How do we decide which route to take? --- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/ On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@free.fr> wrote:
Nicolas Morin a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone template;
That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later, especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.
+1
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Now that 3.0 is out - it's time to decide what we're going to do about the Plone migration - we don't really have a consensus here. How do we decide which route to take? Is it possible to basically put the current design into Plone? I had
hi thought people were generally happy with the current look, it's just the CMS functionality that's missing. And who is actually going to do the Plone conversion? We could ask for a volunteer to convert the current look (I'm assuming that we don't hate it?) Cheers Rachel
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@free.fr <mailto:paul.poulain@free.fr>> wrote:
Nicolas Morin a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com <mailto:jmf@liblime.com>> wrote: > >> Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone >> template; > > That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later, > especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.
+1
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As far as design I'm not fussed, but I was under the impression that it wasn't that easy to convert the current design into a plone template. I'm fine with being proven wrong. That said, I do think we want something new and fresh to go with the new and improved 3.0 release. --- Nicole C. Engard Open Source Evangelist, LibLime (888) Koha ILS (564-2457) ext. 714 nce@liblime.com AIM/Y!/Skype: nengard http://liblime.com http://blogs.liblime.com/open-sesame/ On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:45 PM, Rachel Hamilton-Williams < rachel@katipo.co.nz> wrote:
hi
Now that 3.0 is out - it's time to decide what we're going to do about the Plone migration - we don't really have a consensus here. How do we decide which route to take?
Is it possible to basically put the current design into Plone? I had thought people were generally happy with the current look, it's just the CMS functionality that's missing.
And who is actually going to do the Plone conversion? We could ask for a volunteer to convert the current look (I'm assuming that we don't hate it?)
Cheers Rachel
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On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@free.fr<mailto: paul.poulain@free.fr>> wrote:
Nicolas Morin a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com <mailto:jmf@liblime.com>> wrote:
Some have suggested we switch to Plone and just use the standard Plone template;
That's my vote: we need the functionalities sooner rather than later, especialy as far as the Koha doc for version 3 is concerned.
+1
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"Nicole Engard" <nicole.engard@liblime.com> wrote: [...]
As far as design I'm not fussed, but I was under the impression that it wasn't that easy to convert the current design into a plone template. I'm fine with being proven wrong.
That said, I do think we want something new and fresh to go with the new and improved 3.0 release.
Yeah, but let's not throw the babies out with the bathwater. I've seen too many "replacement website" projects where it never even gets as good as the previous one, so my motto is: evolution not revolution! I've no idea whether it's easy/hard/impossible to convert the current design into a plone template. I've not worked with plone for years. Can someone put up a test Plone server and give the current web team (including me) FTP-or-better access so that we can try converting the template and see how easy it is to move the current web content across? Thanks, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:43 AM, MJ Ray <mjr@phonecoop.coop> wrote:
"Nicole Engard" <nicole.engard@liblime.com> wrote: [...]
As far as design I'm not fussed, but I was under the impression that it wasn't that easy to convert the current design into a plone template. I'm fine with being proven wrong.
That said, I do think we want something new and fresh to go with the new and improved 3.0 release.
Yeah, but let's not throw the babies out with the bathwater. I've seen too many "replacement website" projects where it never even gets as good as the previous one, so my motto is: evolution not revolution!
I've no idea whether it's easy/hard/impossible to convert the current design into a plone template. I've not worked with plone for years. Can someone put up a test Plone server and give the current web team (including me) FTP-or-better access so that we can try converting the template and see how easy it is to move the current web content across? Yep, this is on my list, I will do my best to have something for community review within two weeks.
Cheers, Josh -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE CEO migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
"Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
I suggest:- 1. Publish the voting results for comment here and to the entrants; 2. Allow the entrants two weeks to react and maybe update their entries and/or suggest a way forwards (vote again and include the Plone default template (and Kea?) as "None of the Above"-style fallback options? extend until a certain date? pay? walk away?) 3. Create a more realistic timetable for Plone migration - this seems more for LibLime to suggest because AFAIK BibLibre and TTLLP are both more drupal and perl companies than Plone and python ones (and I'm not sure about other contributors), so I'm expecting LibLime will have to do the work if it's Plone. Announcing 19 March on 10 January seemed a bit optimistic to me. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237
MJ Ray escribió:
"Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
I suggest:-
1. Publish the voting results for comment here and to the entrants;
2. Allow the entrants two weeks to react and maybe update their entries and/or suggest a way forwards (vote again and include the Plone default template (and Kea?) as "None of the Above"-style fallback options? extend until a certain date? pay? walk away?)
Yes it would work if the koha community shows a little bit of commitment with the contest and this is not happening at the moment. People in my team ask why "should i spend more time in something that even the organizators don't move". It's very difficult for me to convince anyone with the low answer we had from Koha community. This decreases your credibility and is very disappointing for us and because the time invested on the contest. Kind Regads r. -- http://robertoallende.com
Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote:
Yes it would work if the koha community shows a little bit of commitment with the contest and this is not happening at the moment. People in my team ask why "should i spend more time in something that even the organizators don't move". It's very difficult for me to convince anyone with the low answer we had from Koha community.
This decreases your credibility and is very disappointing for us and because the time invested on the contest.
It should be obvious from the comments when the contest started http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/379 that this was an initiative of koha.org's current owner, not the koha community (I offer to pay costs of koha.org's transfer to SPI or Kohala). Please don't flame the koha community for this, unless you feel we should have disowned it totally or something - but I think that would have been an overreaction. Their heart was in the right place. This contest has been pretty damaging though, both through upsetting possible contributors like the contest entrants, through promising a Grand Prize on 19 March (still unpaid?) and through chilling work on the current website because we've still no idea whether any time we spend on it will be junked or recycled. However, koha.org's current owner's president (or Joshua, for short) has written that he "will do [his] best to have something for community review" next week, so maybe that will give a new chance to do something, but I wouldn't blame contributors for walking away. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/1468 Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237
MJ Ray escribió:
"Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
I suggest:-
1. Publish the voting results for comment here and to the entrants;
2. Allow the entrants two weeks to react and maybe update their entries and/or suggest a way forwards (vote again and include the Plone default template (and Kea?) as "None of the Above"-style fallback options? extend until a certain date? pay? walk away?)
Yes it would work if the koha community shows a little bit of commitment with the contest and this is not happening at the moment. People in my team ask why "should i spend more time in something that even the organizators don't move". It's very difficult for me to convince anyone with the low answer we had from Koha community.
This decreases your credibility and is very disappointing for us and because the time invested on the contest. I can understand your frustration. I think the ultimate problem is that we didn't plan for a scenario in which none of the entries were liked by
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote: the general community, so that led to stagnation. Also, just to remind you, the original organizer of the project had a couple months of illness; and the fact that we were so behind on the 3.0 release didn't help either. Roberto, would you and the other two contestants be satisfied with each getting 1/3 of the award money, ie, splitting it three ways? Cheers, -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE CEO migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS
Joshua Ferraro escribió:
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote:
MJ Ray escribió:
"Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
I suggest:-
1. Publish the voting results for comment here and to the entrants;
2. Allow the entrants two weeks to react and maybe update their entries and/or suggest a way forwards (vote again and include the Plone default template (and Kea?) as "None of the Above"-style fallback options? extend until a certain date? pay? walk away?)
Yes it would work if the koha community shows a little bit of commitment with the contest and this is not happening at the moment. People in my team ask why "should i spend more time in something that even the organizators don't move". It's very difficult for me to convince anyone with the low answer we had from Koha community.
This decreases your credibility and is very disappointing for us and because the time invested on the contest.
I can understand your frustration. I think the ultimate problem is that we didn't plan for a scenario in which none of the entries were liked by the general community, so that led to stagnation.
Also, just to remind you, the original organizer of the project had a couple months of illness; and the fact that we were so behind on the 3.0 release didn't help either.
Roberto, would you and the other two contestants be satisfied with each getting 1/3 of the award money, ie, splitting it three ways?
Cheers,
Hello I think is ok. The most important thing for me is to close this issue because there are non-community people involved here. Kind Regards r. -- http://robertoallende.com
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:00 AM, Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote:
Joshua Ferraro escribió:
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Roberto Allende <rover@menttes.com> wrote:
MJ Ray escribió:
"Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@liblime.com> wrote:
So Koha community, how shall we proceed?
I suggest:-
1. Publish the voting results for comment here and to the entrants;
2. Allow the entrants two weeks to react and maybe update their entries and/or suggest a way forwards (vote again and include the Plone default template (and Kea?) as "None of the Above"-style fallback options? extend until a certain date? pay? walk away?)
Yes it would work if the koha community shows a little bit of commitment with the contest and this is not happening at the moment. People in my team ask why "should i spend more time in something that even the organizators don't move". It's very difficult for me to convince anyone with the low answer we had from Koha community.
This decreases your credibility and is very disappointing for us and because the time invested on the contest.
I can understand your frustration. I think the ultimate problem is that we didn't plan for a scenario in which none of the entries were liked by the general community, so that led to stagnation.
Also, just to remind you, the original organizer of the project had a couple months of illness; and the fact that we were so behind on the 3.0 release didn't help either.
Roberto, would you and the other two contestants be satisfied with each getting 1/3 of the award money, ie, splitting it three ways?
Cheers,
Hello
I think is ok. The most important thing for me is to close this issue because there are non-community people involved here. OK, great. If the three contestants would send me their full names and a mailing I'll make sure this gets taken care of promptly.
Cheers, Josh
Kind Regards r.
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