Multilingual Support in The User interfase
I'm currently working on a project to migrate our Isis Library System to Koha. As part of our migration tasks we have to translate to Spanish the USER interfase, the People working in Argentina (at SIU) in this area pointed me to their work. I've noticed that in the config file I can't specify a "Default Language" for the User Interfase, but I've noticed that there are Language especific directories (ie koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/default/en). Koha will take into account the preferred language for the browser and act acordingly? Even tough there are translations to vasrious languajes it seems to me that they aren't integrated to the main tree. I want to contribute my work to the main tree, are ther any plans to integrate to the tree the trasnlations? Thanks, forgive my poor written english. Andres
Andres Tarallo wrote:
I'm currently working on a project to migrate our Isis Library System to Koha. As part of our migration tasks we have to translate to Spanish the USER interfase, the People working in Argentina (at SIU) in this area pointed me to their work.
great
I've noticed that in the config file I can't specify a "Default Language" for the User Interfase, but I've noticed that there are Language especific directories (ie koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/default/en). Koha will take into account the preferred language for the browser and act acordingly?
iirc no (not a bug, but a feature)
Even tough there are translations to vasrious languajes it seems to me that they aren't integrated to the main tree. I want to contribute my work to the main tree, are ther any plans to integrate to the tree the trasnlations?
The plan here is quite simple : if you do a translation, ask for a sourceforge account or send me the file (if it's for 2.2 future release) & i'll add it. (Note translators are added to the "about" page, so they become famous all around the world ;-) )
Thanks, forgive my poor written english.
nice to see i'm not the only one :-D -- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)
Paul, My consortia of libraries has assigned me the task of making a translation in Swedish. If there is documentation about how to do a translation, then please point out the link. Because of the low traffic on koha-translate and the discussions here, I presume now that the koha-translate list is now depreciated and that discussions of translation are to be discussed from now on in koha-devel instead. In the mean time, I have found the three files "intranet.fr", "opac-css.fr", and "opac.fr" in the directory koha/misc/translator and created corresponding ones for Swedish : "intranet.sv", "opac-css.sv", and "opac.sv" with the second column of text being in Swedish. Is that the recommended method? -Lars Lainaus Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@free.fr>: [snip]
The plan here is quite simple : if you do a translation, ask for a sourceforge account or send me the file (if it's for 2.2 future release) & i'll add it. (Note translators are added to the "about" page, so they become famous all around the world ;-) )
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lars@rovaniemelainen.com wrote:
Paul,
My consortia of libraries has assigned me the task of making a translation in Swedish. If there is documentation about how to do a translation, then please point out the link.
Because of the low traffic on koha-translate and the discussions here, I presume now that the koha-translate list is now depreciated and that discussions of translation are to be discussed from now on in koha-devel instead.
In fact, it's still here & needs some rebirth. There are specific translation tools in Koha, so the koha-translate ML should be used.
In the mean time, I have found the three files "intranet.fr", "opac-css.fr", and "opac.fr" in the directory koha/misc/translator and created corresponding ones for Swedish : "intranet.sv", "opac-css.sv", and "opac.sv" with the second column of text being in Swedish. Is that the recommended method?
No. In fact, there is a highly better tool than the one I did for french 2.0 : it's tmpl_process3.pl This tool works like the tmpl_process.pl tool that was used for french. But it generates .po file. A .po file is standard in the free software world. So you can use various tools to do your translation stuff : kbabel is the most known. For 2.2 release, we will drop the tmpl_process.pl script (already done) and use the tmpl_process3 script. and i've installed kartouche, a nice software, on a web interface, that all french can use to do translation. 60% of the OPAC is done & 10% of the intranet. -- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)
Since 'm also working with translations I'm interested also in this subject. Last week I've took my 2.1.0 Koha instalation and made directories called es, then copied the templates from the en directories. Finally I've started analizing the templates translated to spanish from the people of SIU (Argentina) and copied the suitable ones to the corresponding directories. Right know I've a koha 2.1.0 instalation with spanish support to enhace and improve (and BUGS to hunt). I understand from your mailing that is not the "Koha-way" of adding support to a foreing language, I'm right?
In fact, there is a highly better tool than the one I did for french 2.0 : it's tmpl_process3.pl This tool works like the tmpl_process.pl tool that was used for french. But it generates .po file. A .po file is standard in the free software world. So you can use various tools to do your translation stuff : kbabel is the most known.
I like this !!!!, this way will have a better translation, much more manteinable :).
For 2.2 release, we will drop the tmpl_process.pl script (already done) and use the tmpl_process3 script. and i've installed kartouche, a nice software, on a web interface, that all french can use to do translation. 60% of the OPAC is done & 10% of the intranet.
The people of SIU effort Covers much of of the OPAC, and some part of the Intranet. So, How i do the things in the "Koha way"? Both SIU and our University want to have all our work integrated to the main development tree. Andres
Thanks, Paul. I have two further questions. The first one is more important for me. The second is of general interest and would be good to include in the koha translation HOWTO or documentation. First, where can I use these tools to complete the preliminary Swedish translation? Are any already online that can make po files? Since I am billing for my hours in this task, I'd prefer use my time for the actual translation, not the installation, configuration, debugging and maintenance of another server or set of services and so on. Second, could you give an example or two of using tmpl_process3.pl? -Lars Lainaus Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@free.fr>: [snip]
In fact, it's still here & needs some rebirth. There are specific translation tools in Koha, so the koha-translate ML should be used. [snip] No. In fact, there is a highly better tool than the one I did for french 2.0 : it's tmpl_process3.pl This tool works like the tmpl_process.pl tool that was used for french. But it generates .po file. A .po file is standard in the free software world. So you can use various tools to do your translation stuff : kbabel is the most known.
For 2.2 release, we will drop the tmpl_process.pl script (already done) and use the tmpl_process3 script. and i've installed kartouche, a nice software, on a web interface, that all french can use to do translation. 60% of the OPAC is done & 10% of the intranet.
-- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)
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lars@rovaniemelainen.com wrote:
Thanks, Paul.
I have two further questions. The first one is more important for me. The second is of general interest and would be good to include in the koha translation HOWTO or documentation.
First, where can I use these tools to complete the preliminary Swedish translation? Are any already online that can make po files?
where ? I'm not sure I understand your question.
Second, could you give an example or two of using tmpl_process3.pl?
./tmpl_process3.pl without argument gives you the parameters. for example : ./tmpl_process3.pl create -r -i ~/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/default/en -s ~/french.po the -i being for original templates the -s being the .po to generate. when you want to generate translated templates, just run tmpl_process3.pl with install and a -o parameter. Important note : in Koha, the .po is used to create translated templates. The .po is NOT used during runtime to translate a page. It's a sort of "template compilator". A little bit more work for developpers, but highly less CPU needs during runtime. -- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)
Thanks, Paul. My main question is, "how can I translate all of the text without installing Koha myself?" I have not seen or used ".po" files before so I do not know if they are relevant to this topic. -Lars Lainaus Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain@free.fr>:
lars@rovaniemelainen.com wrote: [snip]
First, where can I use these tools to complete the preliminary Swedish translation? Are any already online that can make po files?
where ? I'm not sure I understand your question. [snip]
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lars@rovaniemelainen.com wrote:
Thanks, Paul.
I have two further questions. The first one is more important for me. The second is of general interest and would be good to include in the koha translation HOWTO or documentation.
First, where can I use these tools to complete the preliminary Swedish translation? Are any already online that can make po files?
where ? I'm not sure I understand your question.
Second, could you give an example or two of using tmpl_process3.pl?
./tmpl_process3.pl without argument gives you the parameters. for example : ./tmpl_process3.pl create -r -i ~/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/default/en -s ~/french.po the -i being for original templates the -s being the .po to generate. when you want to generate translated templates, just run tmpl_process3.pl with install and a -o parameter.
Hi there Paul, and everyone! I'm having trouble generating translated templates from the 'po' files... For example... I've created a 'po' file from reports.tmpl... opened it with KBabel and translated it (it only has one word, so it was easy :P) Now... I want to generate the translated reports.tmpl So I run the following: ./tmpl_process3.pl install -i reports.tmpl -s reports.po -o /koha-2.1.1/intranet-html/intranet-tmpl/default/es/ (be sure that I've tried a lot of things aside of this, before asking to the list :D ) but it gives me an "Assertion failed at tmpl_process3.pl line 322" error.... no matter what I try... I've checked line 322... but I have no idea of what would be going wrong... any hint about this? thanks in advance! Martin Longo
Important note : in Koha, the .po is used to create translated templates. The .po is NOT used during runtime to translate a page. It's a sort of "template compilator". A little bit more work for developpers, but highly less CPU needs during runtime.
-- J. Martín Longo Informática SID-UNCuyo http://sid.uncu.edu.ar
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