Fw: Re: [Koha-devel] strange search results (fwd)
(sorry for this Fw: mess) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:24:57 +0300 From: Ville Huhtala <vhuhtala@mail.student.oulu.fi> To: vhuhtala@paju.oulu.fi Subject: Fw: Re: [Koha-devel] strange search results Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Arensburger <arensb+koha-devel@ooblick.com> To: Ville Huhtala <vhuhtala@mail.student.oulu.fi> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] strange search results On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Ville Huhtala wrote:
I searched http://opac.library.org.nz with keyword "guide". However among the first 30 results are 6 records where word "guide" does not appear.
A keyword search looks in a whole lot of places for the keywords you give it, including title, subtitle, series title, biblio notes and biblioitem notes, and subjects. Not all of these are displayed in the OPAC search results. So if a book were part of the "Bob's Guides to Pets", you might not see why it was included. -- Andrew Arensburger Actually, these _do_ represent the arensb@ooblick.com opinions of ooblick.com! Generic Tagline V 6.01 --------------------- Yes, I did check all visible fields - but searies titles and notes are invisible. I think this is very, very wrong. If I remember right then some of those notes are for librarian only - and should not be searched. There is also no reason to hide notes that are made for opac users. Hiding the series title is also wrong because it makes difficult to uniquely identify searched works. (of course someone at Horowhenua should check the search result just to make sure it is not a bug) Ville Huhtala
On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 11:32:00PM +0300, Ville Huhtala wrote: [...]
Yes, I did check all visible fields - but searies titles and notes are invisible. I think this is very, very wrong. If I remember right then some of those notes are for librarian only - and should not be searched. There is also no reason to hide notes that are made for opac users.
Hiding the series title is also wrong because it makes difficult to uniquely identify searched works.
I also think it is wrong to not display series title, notes etc. in the OPAC too. For one thing, library users are used to seeing them in real card catalogues :-) The catalogue we have in "my" library also displays series title, notes, etc.; I think the public libraries here (Toronto, Canada) do that too. On another note, I find that on the demo site, the search fields have only a clear button, but no "go" or "submit" button. The instructions tell the user to press the "Enter" key, but this seems to *unnecessarily depend* on Javascript, so it won't work in text browsers, so we have - Search in the Intranet module doesn't work in text browsers (lynx, w3m, etc.) - Search in the Internet module doesn't work if the user disabled Javascript (for security reasons, for example) - Some computers may call the "Enter" key by some other name BTW, the search on the OPAC module does not have this unnecessary Javascript dependency. Regards, -- Ambrose Li <a.c.li@ieee.org> http://trends.ca/~acli/ http://www.cccgt.org/ DRM is theft - We are the stakeholders
On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 11:32:00PM +0300, Ville Huhtala said:
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Yes, I did check all visible fields - but searies titles and notes are invisible. I think this is very, very wrong. If I remember right then some of those notes are for librarian only - and should not be searched. There is also no reason to hide notes that are made for opac users.
Hiding the series title is also wrong because it makes difficult to uniquely identify searched works.
(of course someone at Horowhenua should check the search result just to make sure it is not a bug)
Hi Guys Yep, its displaying the way HLT want it to display, but thats the one of the main reasons behind using HTML::Template to build templates for the opac. So that its easy to set up templates for the display 'your' library wants. This is what philanthropy australia are using. So their OPAC displays different fields in different places. The fully templated OPAC is due for release in 1.2.3 so hopefully that will solve this. Basically, If we make it easy for a library to display what information they want to display on what screen. We dont fall into the trap of forcing people to do things certain ways, because we think its the right way. I hope this makes some sense :-) Chris -- Chris Cormack Programmer 025 500 789 Katipo Communications Ltd chris@katipo.co.nz www.katipo.co.nz
Hello Ville, Andrew and everyone, Thank you for pointing this out. Andrew has given you the correct explanation - that the word "guide" appears in fields not displayed on the OPAC search- usually in the series title field. But you are absolutely right, Ville, that this is important information that should be displayed on the OPAC screens. That it is not displayed is an historical accident, rather than a deliberate attempt to conceal. Different libraries may use the Notes field on the biblio record for different purposes. At HLT, we use it to add information that we think will help make the record more accessible or more meaningful, or to add detail that can't be fitted anywhere else. None of this is confidential, and we'd be perfectly happy to have it display. Do other libraries use it the same way? (We use the notes field on the item record for purposes which are not so public) Anyone volunteering to add to the OPAC display the additional fields not currently displayed? On 30 Sep 2002, at 23:32, Ville Huhtala wrote:
(sorry for this Fw: mess) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:24:57 +0300 From: Ville Huhtala <vhuhtala@mail.student.oulu.fi> To: vhuhtala@paju.oulu.fi Subject: Fw: Re: [Koha-devel] strange search results
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Arensburger <arensb+koha-devel@ooblick.com> To: Ville Huhtala <vhuhtala@mail.student.oulu.fi> Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] strange search results
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Ville Huhtala wrote:
I searched http://opac.library.org.nz with keyword "guide". However among the first 30 results are 6 records where word "guide" does not appear.
A keyword search looks in a whole lot of places for the keywords you give it, including title, subtitle, series title, biblio notes and biblioitem notes, and subjects. Not all of these are displayed in the OPAC search results. So if a book were part of the "Bob's Guides to Pets", you might not see why it was included.
-- Andrew Arensburger Actually, these _do_ represent the arensb@ooblick.com opinions of ooblick.com! Generic Tagline V 6.01
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Yes, I did check all visible fields - but searies titles and notes are invisible. I think this is very, very wrong. If I remember right then some of those notes are for librarian only - and should not be searched. There is also no reason to hide notes that are made for opac users.
Hiding the series title is also wrong because it makes difficult to uniquely identify searched works.
(of course someone at Horowhenua should check the search result just to make sure it is not a bug)
Ville Huhtala
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