CircControl, HomeOrHoldingBranch and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn
Okay, developers I need some help both in understanding and in documenting the above preferences. Right now CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions, but I doubt that they do the same thing. I vaguely remember HomeOrHoldingBranch being deprecated in favor of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn ... but don't see a bug for that, and obviously it didn't happen. Next, in the manual I say that HomeOrHoldingBranch has something to do with IndependantBranches (is that true? if so how?) There are a series of bug reports on this issue: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=homeorholding&list_id=5333 but I'm not sure what the final consensus is? How do I use these three preferences? and How do I document them for librarians? Log from IRC Chat [10:29] <nengard> need me some sys pref help [10:29] <nengard> CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions ... [10:29] <nengard> and then there is HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn [10:29] <nengard> what does HomeOrHoldingBranch do? [10:29] <nengard> and i the manual correct when I say it's linked to IndependantBranches [10:30] * wizzyrea has always been confused by that [10:30] <wizzyrea> but I know that it has something to do with the way the rules are applied for circulation, and what happens when books are returned [10:31] <nengard> that much is clear, paul_p was this a Biblibre addition? [10:31] <nengard> all three have to do with circ rules and checking in and out ... just not sure which does what [10:32] <nengard> there is at least one bug to report here though ... CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions [10:33] <nengard> they can't both do the same thing ... or if they do then we don't need two prefs : [10:33] <nengard> :) [10:33] <jcamins> I think that one of them is supposed to be eliminated, but wasn't yet. [10:33] <wizzyrea> HomeOrHolding was going away in favor of CircControl [10:33] <wizzyrea> but there's a bug on deprecating it [10:34] <wizzyrea> and I believe there was objection [10:34] * paul_p reading [10:34] <paul_p> (hello USA !) [10:34] <wizzyrea> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=homeorholding&list_id=5333 [10:36] <paul_p> mmm... sorry, I won't be able to help you, it's not clear for me too [10:37] <nengard> wizzyrea, okay, that's confusing [10:37] <nengard> gonna put this to the dev list I guess [10:37] <wizzyrea> I didn't say you'd like the answer ;) [10:38] * paul_p looking to french descriptions of those sysprefs to see if it helps... [10:39] <paul_p> same description too, it doesn't help...
Le 10/05/2011 16:41, Nicole Engard a écrit :
Okay, developers I need some help both in understanding and in documenting the above preferences. Right now CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions, but I doubt that they do the same thing.
I vaguely remember HomeOrHoldingBranch being deprecated in favor of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn ... but don't see a bug for that, and obviously it didn't happen.
Next, in the manual I say that HomeOrHoldingBranch has something to do with IndependantBranches (is that true? if so how?)
There are a series of bug reports on this issue: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=homeorholding&list_id=5333 but I'm not sure what the final consensus is? How do I use these three preferences? and How do I document them for librarians?
Log from IRC Chat
[10:29] <nengard> need me some sys pref help [10:29] <nengard> CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions ... [10:29] <nengard> and then there is HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn [10:29] <nengard> what does HomeOrHoldingBranch do? [10:29] <nengard> and i the manual correct when I say it's linked to IndependantBranches [10:30] * wizzyrea has always been confused by that [10:30] <wizzyrea> but I know that it has something to do with the way the rules are applied for circulation, and what happens when books are returned [10:31] <nengard> that much is clear, paul_p was this a Biblibre addition? [10:31] <nengard> all three have to do with circ rules and checking in and out ... just not sure which does what [10:32] <nengard> there is at least one bug to report here though ... CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions [10:33] <nengard> they can't both do the same thing ... or if they do then we don't need two prefs : [10:33] <nengard> :) [10:33] <jcamins> I think that one of them is supposed to be eliminated, but wasn't yet. [10:33] <wizzyrea> HomeOrHolding was going away in favor of CircControl [10:33] <wizzyrea> but there's a bug on deprecating it [10:34] <wizzyrea> and I believe there was objection [10:34] * paul_p reading [10:34] <paul_p> (hello USA !) [10:34] <wizzyrea> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=homeorholding&list_id=5333 [10:36] <paul_p> mmm... sorry, I won't be able to help you, it's not clear for me too [10:37] <nengard> wizzyrea, okay, that's confusing [10:37] <nengard> gonna put this to the dev list I guess [10:37] <wizzyrea> I didn't say you'd like the answer ;) [10:38] * paul_p looking to french descriptions of those sysprefs to see if it helps... [10:39] <paul_p> same description too, it doesn't help...
follow up : (17:07:35) hdl: It is the system preference description which is not really good. (17:08:02) talljoy_ [~talljoy@99-27-151-96.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] a rejoint le salon. (17:08:27) hdl: circontrol set to the items branch. And then you would choose homebranch or holdingbranch (17:09:23) hdl: In your case the real rule followed is : the library the item was checked out from (17:10:00) nengard: hdl, i'm sorry i'm still very confused (17:11:44) hdl: nengard: in the case of Circcontrol, you have the choice between "3 tables" : issues (or C4::Context-userenv) borrowers, items. (17:11:53) hdl: It is that level of choice. (17:12:17) hdl: for CircControl (17:12:27) wizzyrea: so you can circ with rules based on issuing library, borrower's homebranch, or the item's home branch (17:12:33) wizzyrea: with CircControl (17:12:51) hdl: HomeOrHoldingBranch is to decide whether it is items' homebranch or items' holding branch (17:12:58) wizzyrea: so only items (17:13:06) hdl: i.e. the library rule where the item last was. (17:13:09) wizzyrea: and nothing to do with borrowers or logged in branch (17:13:17) hdl: No. (17:13:22) hdl: only items... (17:13:52) wizzyrea: oh, only the current location (17:14:35) wizzyrea: (holding branch) (17:14:56) hdl: holding branch is the library which latest had the book. (17:15:02) wizzyrea: right (17:15:15) wizzyrea: (where it is now) (17:15:57) hdl: well... where it is supposed to be now... The library which has it. (17:17:37) hdl: The inner behaviour for an item is different depending on the HomeOrHoldingBranch or PickupLibrary (17:17:55) hdl: PickupLibrary only impacts issuingrule. (17:18:38) hdl: when HomeOrHoldingBranch set to HoldingBranch, it changes the holdingbranch when a borrower returns a book to another library, not the homebranch. (17:19:27) hdl: Because in a network, it is important to keep track of the library who OWNS the item, and the library who HOLDS the item. (17:21:47) wizzyrea: the application of this is that you can have floating items, items that were checked out from their home branch, but returned at another branch (17:23:46) ***conan notices meeting will be at 23 hs today for him (17:23:46) wizzyrea: home or holding return decides whether, when an item is returned, it is held at the holding branch or force returned to the home branch (17:23:46) wizzyrea: I think (17:23:46) wizzyrea: that (17:23:46) wizzyrea: one is one that I've had to futz with lately (17:23:46) talljoy_ a quitté le salon wizzyrea wizzyrea_away (17:33:10) hdl: wizzyrea nengard does that make more sense now ? (17:33:45) wizzyrea: I think so? (17:33:49) wizzyrea: the basic idea I got (17:34:19) wizzyrea: CircControl = rules based on one of item homebranch, patron homebranch, or logged in user branch (17:34:43) wizzyrea: HomeOrHolding = rules based only on items (possibly to be deprecated
Based on this info, we need clearer explanations of the preferences ... and I'm not sure how to label them so that they make sense. Suggestions? Nicole On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:59 AM, LAURENT Henri-Damien <henridamien.laurent@biblibre.com> wrote:
Le 10/05/2011 16:41, Nicole Engard a écrit :
Okay, developers I need some help both in understanding and in documenting the above preferences. Right now CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions, but I doubt that they do the same thing.
I vaguely remember HomeOrHoldingBranch being deprecated in favor of HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn ... but don't see a bug for that, and obviously it didn't happen.
Next, in the manual I say that HomeOrHoldingBranch has something to do with IndependantBranches (is that true? if so how?)
There are a series of bug reports on this issue: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=homeorholding&list_id=5333 but I'm not sure what the final consensus is? How do I use these three preferences? and How do I document them for librarians?
Log from IRC Chat
[10:29] <nengard> need me some sys pref help [10:29] <nengard> CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions ... [10:29] <nengard> and then there is HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn [10:29] <nengard> what does HomeOrHoldingBranch do? [10:29] <nengard> and i the manual correct when I say it's linked to IndependantBranches [10:30] * wizzyrea has always been confused by that [10:30] <wizzyrea> but I know that it has something to do with the way the rules are applied for circulation, and what happens when books are returned [10:31] <nengard> that much is clear, paul_p was this a Biblibre addition? [10:31] <nengard> all three have to do with circ rules and checking in and out ... just not sure which does what [10:32] <nengard> there is at least one bug to report here though ... CircControl and HomeOrHoldingBranch have the same descriptions [10:33] <nengard> they can't both do the same thing ... or if they do then we don't need two prefs : [10:33] <nengard> :) [10:33] <jcamins> I think that one of them is supposed to be eliminated, but wasn't yet. [10:33] <wizzyrea> HomeOrHolding was going away in favor of CircControl [10:33] <wizzyrea> but there's a bug on deprecating it [10:34] <wizzyrea> and I believe there was objection [10:34] * paul_p reading [10:34] <paul_p> (hello USA !) [10:34] <wizzyrea> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=homeorholding&list_id=5333 [10:36] <paul_p> mmm... sorry, I won't be able to help you, it's not clear for me too [10:37] <nengard> wizzyrea, okay, that's confusing [10:37] <nengard> gonna put this to the dev list I guess [10:37] <wizzyrea> I didn't say you'd like the answer ;) [10:38] * paul_p looking to french descriptions of those sysprefs to see if it helps... [10:39] <paul_p> same description too, it doesn't help...
follow up : (17:07:35) hdl: It is the system preference description which is not really good. (17:08:02) talljoy_ [~talljoy@99-27-151-96.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] a rejoint le salon. (17:08:27) hdl: circontrol set to the items branch. And then you would choose homebranch or holdingbranch (17:09:23) hdl: In your case the real rule followed is : the library the item was checked out from (17:10:00) nengard: hdl, i'm sorry i'm still very confused (17:11:44) hdl: nengard: in the case of Circcontrol, you have the choice between "3 tables" : issues (or C4::Context-userenv) borrowers, items. (17:11:53) hdl: It is that level of choice. (17:12:17) hdl: for CircControl (17:12:27) wizzyrea: so you can circ with rules based on issuing library, borrower's homebranch, or the item's home branch (17:12:33) wizzyrea: with CircControl (17:12:51) hdl: HomeOrHoldingBranch is to decide whether it is items' homebranch or items' holding branch (17:12:58) wizzyrea: so only items (17:13:06) hdl: i.e. the library rule where the item last was. (17:13:09) wizzyrea: and nothing to do with borrowers or logged in branch (17:13:17) hdl: No. (17:13:22) hdl: only items... (17:13:52) wizzyrea: oh, only the current location (17:14:35) wizzyrea: (holding branch) (17:14:56) hdl: holding branch is the library which latest had the book. (17:15:02) wizzyrea: right (17:15:15) wizzyrea: (where it is now) (17:15:57) hdl: well... where it is supposed to be now... The library which has it. (17:17:37) hdl: The inner behaviour for an item is different depending on the HomeOrHoldingBranch or PickupLibrary (17:17:55) hdl: PickupLibrary only impacts issuingrule. (17:18:38) hdl: when HomeOrHoldingBranch set to HoldingBranch, it changes the holdingbranch when a borrower returns a book to another library, not the homebranch. (17:19:27) hdl: Because in a network, it is important to keep track of the library who OWNS the item, and the library who HOLDS the item. (17:21:47) wizzyrea: the application of this is that you can have floating items, items that were checked out from their home branch, but returned at another branch (17:23:46) ***conan notices meeting will be at 23 hs today for him (17:23:46) wizzyrea: home or holding return decides whether, when an item is returned, it is held at the holding branch or force returned to the home branch (17:23:46) wizzyrea: I think (17:23:46) wizzyrea: that (17:23:46) wizzyrea: one is one that I've had to futz with lately (17:23:46) talljoy_ a quitté le salon wizzyrea wizzyrea_away (17:33:10) hdl: wizzyrea nengard does that make more sense now ? (17:33:45) wizzyrea: I think so? (17:33:49) wizzyrea: the basic idea I got (17:34:19) wizzyrea: CircControl = rules based on one of item homebranch, patron homebranch, or logged in user branch (17:34:43) wizzyrea: HomeOrHolding = rules based only on items (possibly to be deprecated _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
On 10/05/11 17:07, Nicole Engard wrote:
Based on this info, we need clearer explanations of the preferences ... and I'm not sure how to label them so that they make sense. Suggestions?
Theres a routine in Circulation.pm _GetCircControlBranch which uses the two of them to return the branch's policy is to be used in the circ transaction, logic flow is: if CircControl == 'PickupLibrary' use the branch you are logged in at if CircControl == 'PatronLibrary' use the borrowers library if neither of the above use the field identified in HomeOrHoldingBranch from the item (unless its holding and there isn't a value there, in which case revert to home). C. -- Colin Campbell Chief Software Engineer, PTFS Europe Limited Content Management and Library Solutions +44 (0) 845 557 5634 (phone) +44 (0) 7759 633626 (mobile) colin.campbell@ptfs-europe.com skype: colin_campbell2 http://www.ptfs-europe.com
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