Hello Everyone I would like to make a comment on "Reconciliation": In one of the institutions I worked in the past we used to reconcile revenue records kept in the library and the accounts to make sure that they match. So, I don't know if this is relevant in the context of Koha, but I would expect it to be a kind of cross checking. Does that make sense? Selma Aslan ----- Original Message ---- From: "koha-translate-request@nongnu.org" <koha-translate-request@nongnu.org> To: koha-translate@nongnu.org Sent: Saturday, 19 January, 2008 7:00:45 PM Subject: Koha-translate Digest, Vol 19, Issue 10 Send Koha-translate mailing list submissions to koha-translate@nongnu.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to koha-translate-request@nongnu.org You can reach the person managing the list at koha-translate-owner@nongnu.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Koha-translate digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Some questions (Joshua Ferraro) 2. Re: Some questions (Axel Bojer) 3. Re: Some questions (Dorian Meid) 4. Re: Some questions (Joshua Ferraro) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:59:59 -0500 From: "Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@liblime.com> Subject: Re: [Koha-translate] Some questions To: "Axel Bojer" <axelb@skolelinux.no> Cc: koha-translate@nongnu.org Message-ID: <2dfa91e40801181559p2f4bac5ai1b14e039b1247f75@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Axel, Some answers to your excellent questions follow: On 1/17/08, Axel Bojer <axelb@skolelinux.no> wrote:
Hello!
I have some comments and questions concerning the Koha-translation, and hope there is someone out there that could help me :-)
As you see for instance here:
there are strings like:
$<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME=\"code\" --> <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME=\"value\" -->
But I suppose those are not to be localized at all, but just left as
Something like:
$<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME=\"verdi\" --> <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME=\"verdi\" --> (translated to Norwegian)
would supposedly not work, would it? But since it is there I assume something has to be configurable, so I am a little bit confused about those (there are more of them, some with some text in between, some without). You're right, the example should NOT be translated, but should be left as is. It's a failing of the gettext tool perhaps, or maybe we need to edit our
is? base template in that case to prevent that example from showing up.
Other than that, it would be nice if strings occurring twice could be eliminated, I am thinking of strings like this:
In the staff file: ------------------ Catalogue by Item Type Catalogue by itemtype (strings 1447 and 1448) Yes, we should attempt to normalize the strings, sorry ... it's a lot of work, I know!
Other than inconsistent spelling, those are perfectly the same. Sometimes I see the same strings twice, but one of them misspelled, like this:
Combinaisons de techiques diverses de detection thermique par infrarouge Combinaisons de techiques en faible emission Combinaisons de techniques diverses de detection thermique par infrarouge Combinaisons de techniques en faible emission (1683--86) Two of those obviously would have to be removed. Agreed. I can attempt to do this for 3.0 beta
String 1403 is also misspelled: Cannot Delete Currencey
I also don't quite follow the necessity of string pairs like these:
Couleur Couleur: (1179 and 1780) -- sometimes even more of them, just with * or extra an extra space before : added also, which makes up to four practically identical strings. Yes yes yes ...
with just a small effort in scripting these copies could be erased. I suppose some hundred, if not more, of the strings could be omitted by correcting such mistakes. I know I can search and replace (Kbabel and Kaider), copy and paste -- or even just use the translation database (Kbabel), but for the poor people using the web interface this is not easy to do. So if someone could take a look at this we could ease the translation job for everyone :-) Agreed. I will attempt to do this for 3.0 beta.
Then for some mystic strings that I don't quite understand the meaning of:
Bibs -- Is this a Unique Name and therefore not translatable? I could not find it on Google or Wikipedia. Bibs is an abbreviation of 'Bibliographic Records'.
mc:v or mc-rtype:o and more of the same sort, are those really to be translated, and what do they mean? No added comment there, that could have helped :-) Those are 'material category' and are mainly just CCL codes, you can ignore them as they are used for the internal search API.
moon script -- What is this? I know what Braille is, but moon script? This is a real script, identified by the Library of Congress apparently ... :)
road type -- We are not talking about cars, are we, so what is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_road We are talking about street types (such as 'St., Rd., etc.). It's a feature in Koha that you can have authorized value lists for road types.
reconcillation -- What is this according to Koha? Reconciliation (yes it is misspelled), is a term that has to do with the current day's activities I believe (transactions of the day). Someone else might know better than I.
If someone could clear this up, we would be happy :-)
BTW: How do we give credits to the translators? I see some names in the staff-file, but no string like: Translator or similar, like KDE has. Do you add this, and do we then have to submit all the names of our translators to you to get it in? We are a group of four, maybe five translators, mainly because we have two writing languages :-P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian Please tell us who was responsible for the translation, by posting a mail to this list (koha-translate). I will add the credits to the 'About' page for the Koha 3.0 beta (I already have a list of some of you, but obviously if you want credit you must identify yourselves as a contributor :-)).
Thanks again for these excellent questions, let us know if we can help further. Cheers, -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE President, Technology migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:30:55 +0100 From: Axel Bojer <axelb@skolelinux.no> Subject: Re: [Koha-translate] Some questions To: Joshua Ferraro <jmf@liblime.com> Cc: koha-translate@nongnu.org Message-ID: <479144BF.8010809@skolelinux.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Joshua Ferraro wrote:
Hi Axel,
Some answers to your excellent questions follow:
On 1/17/08, Axel Bojer <axelb@skolelinux.no> wrote: (...)
with just a small effort in scripting these copies could be erased. I suppose some hundred, if not more, of the strings could be omitted by correcting such mistakes. I know I can search and replace (Kbabel and Kaider), copy and paste -- or even just use the translation database (Kbabel), but for the poor people using the web interface this is not easy to do. So if someone could take a look at this we could ease
Thank you! the
translation job for everyone :-) Agreed. I will attempt to do this for 3.0 beta.
Very good!
Then for some mystic strings that I don't quite understand the meaning of:
Bibs -- Is this a Unique Name and therefore not translatable? I could not find it on Google or Wikipedia. Bibs is an abbreviation of 'Bibliographic Records'.
That makes sense :-)
mc:v or mc-rtype:o and more of the same sort, are those really to be translated, and what do they mean? No added comment there, that could have helped :-) Those are 'material category' and are mainly just CCL codes, you can ignore them as they are used for the internal search API.
moon script -- What is this? I know what Braille is, but moon
Will do :-) script?
This is a real script, identified by the Library of Congress apparently ... :)
In the meantime we found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_code so perhaps it should be rephrased to moon code?
road type -- We are not talking about cars, are we, so what is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_road We are talking about street types (such as 'St., Rd., etc.). It's a feature in Koha that you can have authorized value lists for road types.
reconcillation -- What is this according to Koha? Reconciliation (yes it is misspelled), is a term that has to do with
Really? hmm ... ok :-) the current
day's activities I believe (transactions of the day). Someone else might know better than I.
BTW: How do we give credits to the translators? I see some names in
Some sort of unification, we thought: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Reconciliation So probably, then, some way to unite something: <a1>Home</a> › <a2>Reports</a> › Till Reconciliation would perhaps, then, be the unification/merging of two different reports into one? That is our best guess by now :-) Perhaps also here a rephrasing (into some of the more well known (close to be) synonyms mentioned)? the
staff-file, but no string like: Translator or similar, like KDE has. Do you add this, and do we then have to submit all the names of our translators to you to get it in? We are a group of four, maybe five translators, mainly because we have two writing languages :-P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian Please tell us who was responsible for the translation, by posting a mail to this list (koha-translate). I will add the credits to the 'About' page for the Koha 3.0 beta (I already have a list of some of you, but obviously if you want credit you must identify yourselves as a contributor :-)).
We are: Norwegian Bokmål: Axel Bojer and Thomas Gramstad Norwegian Nynorsk: Unni Knutsen and Marit Kristine Ådland We will tell you if there are changes, but I suppose that will be it :-)
Thanks again for these excellent questions, let us know if we can help further.
Actually, one more right away -- about the html-encodings :-) In Norway we don't citate with "word" but with «word». I see many places, that " is used instead (in English). Do we, then, have to change ours into » and « everywhere, or will « and » be recognized? I thought of doing a search and replace for all of them at the last moment before submitting, just to be sure everything is viewed correctly, or will some of the text be rendered differently than by html (just text f.i.), so that we will have to use « and » somewhere too? I suppose – (or —) will be better than -- too, will it not? I found this in many strings ... Best regards Axel Bojer ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:58:49 +0100 From: Dorian Meid <dnmeid@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [Koha-translate] Some questions To: koha-translate@nongnu.org Message-ID: <0DC40086-6393-4879-BB01-453AC6DD3387@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Am 19.01.2008 um 01:30 schrieb Axel Bojer:
Actually, one more right away -- about the html-encodings :-)
In Norway we don't citate with "word" but with «word». I see many places, that " is used instead (in English). Do we, then, have to change ours into » and « everywhere, or will « and »
be recognized? I thought of doing a search and replace for all of them at the last moment before submitting, just to be sure everything is viewed correctly, or will some of the text be rendered differently than by html (just text f.i.), so that we will have to use « and » somewhere too?
Another good question. Apparently the quotes have been left out while rewriting the html for CSS. I suggest to use the q-tag instead of quotes: <q>word</q> Then most browsers should handle the quotation marks correctly according to the browsers set language. For a better control we can specify how the q-tag is handeled in the stylesheet. Here is an excelent articel about that: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200411/ quotations_and_citations_quoting_text/ This would also be a great advantage for theme-designers. Dorian Meid PS: if you want a quick and dirty solution: If you have encoded your files in UTF8 « and » will work. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:17:23 -0500 From: "Joshua Ferraro" <jmf@liblime.com> Subject: Re: [Koha-translate] Some questions To: "Dorian Meid" <dnmeid@gmx.de> Cc: koha-translate@nongnu.org Message-ID: <2dfa91e40801190817n188f788dl629f9b35dd8341f9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 1/19/08, Dorian Meid <dnmeid@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 19.01.2008 um 01:30 schrieb Axel Bojer:
Actually, one more right away -- about the html-encodings :-)
In Norway we don't citate with "word" but with «word». I see many places, that " is used instead (in English). Do we, then, have to change ours into » and « everywhere, or will « and
»
be recognized? I thought of doing a search and replace for all of them at the last moment before submitting, just to be sure everything is viewed correctly, or will some of the text be rendered differently than by html (just text f.i.), so that we will have to use « and » somewhere too?
Another good question. Apparently the quotes have been left out while rewriting the html for CSS. I suggest to use the q-tag instead of quotes: <q>word</q> Then most browsers should handle the quotation marks correctly according to the browsers set language. For a better control we can specify how the q-tag is handeled in the stylesheet. Here is an excelent articel about that: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200411/ quotations_and_citations_quoting_text/ This would also be a great advantage for theme-designers. OK, I think this is the correct solution, I will also work to fix this for the 3.0 beta.
Cheers, -- Joshua Ferraro SUPPORT FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE President, Technology migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Featuring Koha Open-Source ILS jmf@liblime.com |Full Demos at http://liblime.com/koha |1(888)KohaILS ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Koha-translate mailing list Koha-translate@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate End of Koha-translate Digest, Vol 19, Issue 10 ********************************************** __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com
Selma Aslan <selmaslan@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
I would like to make a comment on "Reconciliation": In one of the institutions I worked in the past we used to reconcile revenue records kept in the library and the accounts to make sure that they match. So, I don't know if this is relevant in the context of Koha, but I would expect it to be a kind of cross checking. Does that make sense?
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