[Koha-devel] Architectural goals for 3.16

[Mathieu Saby]

Hi
Do you know what is the share of FF 3.6 and IE 7 in Nigeria, 
Philippines, Pakistan or Turkey?
I suppose that people in those countries probably can't afford to change 
computers as soon as here...

By the way, my university is still using Windows XP, so it is not 
"dangerous" (but of course we plan to change OS in 2014)
And 1 year ago, the FF standard version insalled on staff computers was 
3.6! (Now it is 10 or 17, I don't remember)
 From what I understood (that's not my part ;-) ), using fresher version 
of FF was not an easy task for our IT department, because FF was 
virtualized, and the older versions are somehow "lighter" than the 
recent ones.

Mathieu


Le 11/12/2013 02:56, Paul A a écrit :
> At 09:59 AM 12/11/2013 +1300, Liz Rea wrote:
>
>> On 11/12/13 05:40, Owen Leonard wrote:
>> >> [4] Upgrade the version of Bootstrap we use to 3.x.
>> > As I mentioned in IRC today the primary caveat for this goal is that
>> > Bootstrap 3 says it "drops support for Internet Explorer 7 and Firefox
>> > 3.6." However, it doesn't explicitly say what "dropping support"
>> > means. If it means broken functionality, that is a problem for us. If
>> > it means graceful degradation, that's more acceptable. I'll be doing
>> > some investigation, but I think we need some opinions from others
>> > about what level of support we need to offer for IE7 and FF 3.6.
>> >
>> >  -- Owen
>> >
>> (this is only my opinion, since you asked.)
>
> Mine too (and we're "small" so maybe near the bottom end of the 
> relevancy scale.)
>
>> IE 7 is only available in Windows XP, which is due to be end of life in
>> April 2014.
>
> First, I really have no opinion on IE 7 thru 10 -- I do read the stats 
> on "market share", and I do have access (for webpage verification 
> purposes) of IE8, but that's it...
>
>> Any changes we make for this cycle won't be released until
>> after XP is EOL. [snip] XP is an outdated, and dangerous operating 
>> system to be
>> running.
>
> We're all entitled to our opinions and I respect yours. However XPPro 
> SP2,[1] properly set up (with a *user* account, never go on-line with 
> admin privileges) is not "dangerous."  EOL, maybe, but I feel that 
> Koha is gaining ground in (excuse me if I'm not PC) less developed 
> countries where quite frankly older o/s abound for whatever reasons.
>
> Upgrading Koha to deny XP (and I'm not at all sure that's what's being 
> proposed) might be cutting off our noses to spite our face.
>
>> It should be noted that it was discovered that bootstrap 3 sites, though
>> not officially supported in FF 3.6, still seem to look and work OK.
>
> For the record, I still have (no time to rebuild) half a dozen 
> "kiosks" that run FF3.6 under Win98SE (despite a whole bunch of 
> misinformation that it's not possible) -- the Koha OPAC is visually 
> perfect (3.8.5 near standard OPAC CSS) and very fast. YMMV.
>
> Bottom line: bootstrap 3 is probably the right way to go, and sooner 
> rather than later ... but let's not forget that there are probably 
> hundreds of thousands, if not potentially millions, of KohaOPAC users 
> who are not as "up to date" with their boxes as we might be...
>
> Best regards,
> Paul
> [1] I have two boxes running XPPro, installed 2001, upgraded SP2 2004 
> (both running IE8 since 2009). They have never, ever failed in 12 
> years -- "bullet-proof" is a term that comes to mind. Note that I have 
> never used Vista, Win7 or Win8.
>
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