[Koha-devel] Koha now requires Perl 5.20
David Cook
dcook at prosentient.com.au
Thu Apr 19 02:16:01 CEST 2018
It looks like the Koha instance on RHEL 6.9 using Perl 5.10.1 is version 3.20.x. (It may be worth noting it isn't available on the Internet; it's on a private network.) Looks like 3.20.0 was a May 2015 release, so it is getting long in the tooth, although not quite as long as 3.8.0, which was in April 2012 (and the first version of Koha where I contributed a patch). Looks like 3.8.23 was February 2014.
David Cook
Systems Librarian
Prosentient Systems
72/330 Wattle St
Ultimo, NSW 2007
Australia
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Direct: 02 8005 0595
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From: koha-devel-bounces at lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces at lists.koha-community.org] On Behalf Of Paul A
Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2018 1:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [Koha-devel] Koha now requires Perl 5.20
On 2018-04-18 09:57 AM, Jonathan Druart wrote:
>> We have Koha running on a RHEL 6 instance which uses 5.10.1, and it
>> seems
> to be doing fine so far. It is an older version of Koha though.
>
> Which version is "an older version of Koha"?
Hesitating to intervene, but as a point of reference, we have three instances (WAN, LAN and backup) of Koha 3.8.24 running perfectly (Ubuntu LTS 14.04 [note 1] and 16.04) using Perl versions from 5.018002 up to 5.022001. Our notes do not show that we had to "downgrade" any particular Perl modules, libraries etc (just add a few during tarball
installs.)
Over the next few weeks, we will start our two-yearly software review with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, and try the latest version of Koha (we decided in
2016 not to upgrade Koha, as we are a non-lending library and saw a performance hit on cataloguing and search, both OPAC and staff. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" -- with obvious security mods.)
If we find anything relevant, I'll get back to you all.
Best -- Paul
Tired old sys-admin.
Note 1: our WAN OPAC server: /$ uptime 11:16:12 up 1022 days, 14:47 -- not too shabby for reliability ;=}
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> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 at 22:36 David Cook <dcook at prosentient.com.au
> <mailto:dcook at prosentient.com.au>> wrote:
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> Hi Jonathan,____
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> Thanks for reverting that patch. ____
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> We have Koha running on a RHEL 6 instance which uses 5.10.1, and it
> seems to be doing fine so far. It is an older version of Koha
> though. I just did the following grep: grep -R "use 5\." *. I see
> “use 5.010” but nothing greater than that. ____
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> I don’t think there’s really much that is special about installing
> Koha on OpenSUSE per se. We just do a source install and use a
> combination of vendor packages and CPAN modules to meet the required
> dependencies. (Actually, we now do RPM builds that match a
> particular structure that we used when we just did source installs
> by hand.) I could take a look at the wiki though.____
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> David Cook____
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> Systems Librarian____
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> Prosentient Systems____
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> 72/330 Wattle St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=72/330+Wattle+St+Ultimo,+NSW&entry=gmail&source=g>____
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> Ultimo, NSW
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=72/330+Wattle+St+Ultimo,+NSW&entry=gmail&source=g>
> 2007____
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> Australia____
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> Office: 02 9212 0899 <tel:02%2092%2012%2008%2099>____
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> *From:*Jonathan Druart
> [mailto:jonathan.druart at bugs.koha-community.org
> <mailto:jonathan.druart at bugs.koha-community.org>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 April 2018 8:58 PM
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> *To:* David Cook <dcook at prosentient.com.au
> <mailto:dcook at prosentient.com.au>>
> *Cc:* koha-devel at lists.koha-community.org
> <mailto:koha-devel at lists.koha-community.org>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Koha-devel] Koha now requires Perl 5.20____
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> Hi David,____
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> I did not confirm Mark's assumption on pushing but made sure 5.20
> was available in most of the GNU/Linux distros I know.____
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> If this restriction is not necessary it does not make sense to keep
> it, I am going to revert the patch later today.____
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> However I am pretty sure 5.10 is not enough.____
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> If you have knowledge about how to install Koha on OpenSuse it would
> be great to update the wiki, the existing page is from 2010. We have
> people asking on #koha or the mailing list sometimes.____
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> Cheers,____
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> Jonathan____
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> On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 22:41 David Cook <dcook at prosentient.com.au
> <mailto:dcook at prosentient.com.au>> wrote:____
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> Hi all,____
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> I just tried to work on Koha master on OpenSUSE 42.3, which was
> released on 2017-07-26, but I’m being prevented from installing
> Koha, because OpenSUSE 42.3 uses Perl 5.18.2 rather than Perl
> 5.20. ____
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> ____
>
> I tracked the change back to
> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20104.
> The claim was that C4::Log::cronlogaction uses caller and that
> caller doesn’t exist before Perl 5.20, but that’s not true. The
> caller function has been in Perl for an extremely long time. You
> can find it in RHEL 6.9 which uses Perl 5.10. I just used it in
> Perl 5.18.2. So that doesn’t seem like a good justification for
> requiring a minimum version of Perl 5.20.____
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> I have a feeling that this change is going to bite other people
> developing and using Koha around the world. There are people
> running Koha on openSUSE, Suse Enterprise Linux, Fedora, Red
> Hat, CentOS… probably other distros as well. Are we really going
> to exclude everyone that doesn’t use recent Debian-based distros
> from using newer versions of Koha?____
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> It seems to me that this decision was made without community
> discussion. Maybe I’m wrong, but I figured I’d bring it up with
> everyone. ____
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> For my part, I’m just going to hack around this requirement for
> now, but I don’t really like that as a long-term solution. ____
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> What does everyone else think?____
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> ____
>
> David Cook____
>
> Systems Librarian____
>
> Prosentient Systems____
>
> 72/330 Wattle St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=72/330+Wattle+St+Ultimo,+NSW&entry=gmail&source=g>____
>
> Ultimo, NSW
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=72/330+Wattle+St+Ultimo,+NSW&entry=gmail&source=g>
> 2007____
>
> Australia____
>
> ____
>
> Office: 02 9212 0899 <tel:02%2092%2012%2008%2099>____
>
> Direct: 02 8005 0595 <tel:02%2080%2005%2005%2095>____
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