Hello, I've checked what is very old on bugzilla. There are 1603 bugs open as of today. I've added a custom search "very old" displaying bugs that haven't been updated for more than 1 year. That's 295. I feel we will never be able to take care of all those bugs, and many if not most of them are related to problems on now-unmaintained versions of Koha. So i'd like to close all of them and mark them "wontfix". Does anyone think it's a bad idea ? -- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
I've added a custom search "very old" displaying bugs that haven't been updated for more than 1 year. That's 295.
I don't see your saved search. Did you share it?
I feel we will never be able to take care of all those bugs, and many if not most of them are related to problems on now-unmaintained versions of Koha.
I don't think we should mark bugs "wontfix" just because they're old. I think many of the bugs might still be valid, whether or not they have the correct version assignment.
So i'd like to close all of them and mark them "wontfix". Does anyone think it's a bad idea ?
I think it is not a good idea. Better to have a bug open and showing up in searches in case someone is looking to file a new one for the same issue. -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
Hi Paul, I agree with Owen that we should not mark those old bugs WONTFIX Additionally I think we have do differentiate between bugs and enhancements: For bugs I think the proper way doing it is retesting the bug and updating it. Enhancements need to be revisited. If Koha can still not do what was suggested the bug should be left open. If it's a really bad idea, mark WONTFIX. Getting them off our lists will not solve the problem and if the bug is filed again the original bug reporter won't get any updates about the status. Katrin -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org im Auftrag von Owen Leonard Gesendet: Di 17.05.2011 15:11 An: Paul Poulain Cc: Koha Devel Betreff: Re: [Koha-devel] bugzilla old entries
I've added a custom search "very old" displaying bugs that haven't been updated for more than 1 year. That's 295.
I don't see your saved search. Did you share it?
I feel we will never be able to take care of all those bugs, and many if not most of them are related to problems on now-unmaintained versions of Koha.
I don't think we should mark bugs "wontfix" just because they're old. I think many of the bugs might still be valid, whether or not they have the correct version assignment.
So i'd like to close all of them and mark them "wontfix". Does anyone think it's a bad idea ?
I think it is not a good idea. Better to have a bug open and showing up in searches in case someone is looking to file a new one for the same issue. -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Owen Leonard <oleonard@myacpl.org> wrote:
I've added a custom search "very old" displaying bugs that haven't been updated for more than 1 year. That's 295.
I still don't know how you got 295. I've been working from list with the following criteria: * Severity: blocker, critical, major, normal, minor, trivial * Status: NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED * Days since bug changed: (is greater than) 365 At the beginning of the week there were 150. Now there are 109. * Some bugs now have patches * Some bugs have been confirmed as still valid bugs in master. * Some bugs have been marked as fixed * Some bugs have been marked invalid That's from one pass through the list, looking for the easy stuff. It should be easy to get through the rest with some more eyes. -- Owen -- Web Developer Athens County Public Libraries http://www.myacpl.org
Paul Poulain <paul.poulain@biblibre.com>
I feel we will never be able to take care of all those bugs, and many if not most of them are related to problems on now-unmaintained versions of Koha. So i'd like to close all of them and mark them "wontfix". Does anyone think it's a bad idea ?
I think it's a good idea to reduce the number of bugs. I don't think bulk closing just because they've not been updated in a while is a good move. It's artificial. Here's what I plan to do, so please beat me to it if you want: "so that we can concentrate on 3.6, I'd systematically check and RESOLVE WONTFIX the ~140 bugs reported not against maintained versions and I'd suggest reclassifying the 771 bugs reported against master as reported against the version which immediately follows the date they were reported." Remember, RESOLVED WONTFIX does not mean it isn't a bug: it just means we don't have anyone who will fix it. Someone can always REOPEN it and ASSIGN it to themselves. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. Webmaster, Debian Developer, Past Koha RM, statistician, former lecturer. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for various work through http://www.software.coop/
Le 17/05/2011 14:19, Paul Poulain a écrit :
Hello,
I've checked what is very old on bugzilla.
There are 1603 bugs open as of today. I've added a custom search "very old" displaying bugs that haven't been updated for more than 1 year. That's 295.
I feel we will never be able to take care of all those bugs, and many if not most of them are related to problems on now-unmaintained versions of Koha. So i'd like to close all of them and mark them "wontfix". Does anyone think it's a bad idea ? OK, after a few days thinking of it, I agree it's not a good idea. OTH, I like very much what slef propose. So +1 Should we add this topic to next IRC meeting ? Or we just say "anyone against this idea write here otherwise 'let's do it' " ?
-- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
Does that mean that we "close" bugs not related to 3.2.x, 3.4.x and master? Since there is no development anymore on other versions, I would agree. If someone detects that the bug still is alive, (s)he could reopen and file it against the corresponding active release. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [mailto:koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] Namens Paul Poulain Verzonden: woensdag 18 mei 2011 18:11 Aan: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Onderwerp: Re: [Koha-devel] bugzilla old entries Le 17/05/2011 14:19, Paul Poulain a écrit :
Hello,
I've checked what is very old on bugzilla.
There are 1603 bugs open as of today. I've added a custom search "very old" displaying bugs that haven't been updated for more than 1 year. That's 295.
I feel we will never be able to take care of all those bugs, and many if not most of them are related to problems on now-unmaintained versions of Koha. So i'd like to close all of them and mark them "wontfix". Does anyone think it's a bad idea ? OK, after a few days thinking of it, I agree it's not a good idea. OTH, I like very much what slef propose. So +1 Should we add this topic to next IRC meeting ? Or we just say "anyone against this idea write here otherwise 'let's do it' " ?
-- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08 _______________________________________________ Koha-devel mailing list Koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel website : http://www.koha-community.org/ git : http://git.koha-community.org/ bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/
I'm all for closing bugs that no longer apply, either because they've been patched, or the code has evolved beyond them. Closing bug reports just because they're old or not recently updated doesn't seem right to me. Bug 2389, for example, seems like it's still relevant, even though no work has been done on it in a while. Are we just trying to get the number of 'open' reports down? Or to make some of the other canned searches return more relevant results? I think we should certainly go through the 'very old' list, and mark those that are invalid as invalid, and those that are resolved as resolved. Genuine, still-current problems should have their version updated at the very least (a more detailed entry, patch or test plan would always be welcome). -Ian On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Marcel de Rooy <M.de.Rooy@rijksmuseum.nl>wrote:
Does that mean that we "close" bugs not related to 3.2.x, 3.4.x and master? Since there is no development anymore on other versions, I would agree. If someone detects that the bug still is alive, (s)he could reopen and file it against the corresponding active release.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org [mailto: koha-devel-bounces@lists.koha-community.org] Namens Paul Poulain Verzonden: woensdag 18 mei 2011 18:11 Aan: koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org Onderwerp: Re: [Koha-devel] bugzilla old entries
Le 17/05/2011 14:19, Paul Poulain a écrit :
Hello,
I've checked what is very old on bugzilla.
There are 1603 bugs open as of today. I've added a custom search "very old" displaying bugs that haven't been updated for more than 1 year. That's 295.
I feel we will never be able to take care of all those bugs, and many if not most of them are related to problems on now-unmaintained versions of Koha. So i'd like to close all of them and mark them "wontfix". Does anyone think it's a bad idea ? OK, after a few days thinking of it, I agree it's not a good idea. OTH, I like very much what slef propose. So +1 Should we add this topic to next IRC meeting ? Or we just say "anyone against this idea write here otherwise 'let's do it' " ?
-- Paul POULAIN http://www.biblibre.com Expert en Logiciels Libres pour l'info-doc Tel : (33) 4 91 81 35 08
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Ian Walls wrote:
Closing bug reports just because they're old or not recently updated doesn't seem right to me. Bug 2389, for example, seems like it's still relevant, even though no work has been done on it in a while.
Are we just trying to get the number of 'open' reports down? Or to make some of the other canned searches return more relevant results?
How about trying to get the bugs accurate? As far as we know from IRC meetings and list discussions so far, no-one is willing to work on new releases of 3.0 or earlier any more, so those bugs should be marked WONTFIX unless anyone knows better. Having them listed as new, assigned or similar is just misleading for everyone. They are definitely drifting to WONTFIX. No-one is suggesting marking them CLOSED yet. They can be REOPENED if anyone is going to work on them. I don't understand why you wouldn't want most of them marked WONTFIX, even as a temporary measure. As for that example bug 2389, I've noted it's still present and set it to enhancement, which is what it looks like to me. Now it probably won't be reclassified incorrectly by someone skimming. Do that sort of thing or JFFI if you spot them, please. Hope that explains, -- MJ Ray (slef), member of www.software.coop, a for-more-than-profit co-op. http://koha-community.org supporter, web and LMS developer, statistician. In My Opinion Only: see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Available for hire for Koha work http://www.software.coop/products/koha
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