[Koha-devel] Gender-neutral pronouns

[Jonathan Druart]

The patches only affect code comments so no translation needed.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 at 15:12 Philippe Blouin <philippe.blouin at inlibro.com>
wrote:

> How many of "these" are there to change?  Not that the work itself will be
> massive, but putting a 'they' in the middle of a sentence does not make it
> easy to translate intuitively, I would think.  If it's a consideration (it
> is for non-English users, at least).
>
>
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> On 04/19/2017 01:16 PM, Jonathan Druart wrote:
>
> The next step would be to provide a check to our QA tests to make sure we
> will not introduce future occurrences.
> I am pretty sure they will not be caught manually by QAers.
>
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 at 13:56 Eric Phetteplace <ephetteplace at cca.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> English has a singular "they". It doesn't suggest androgyny, either, from
>> the definitions I've seen. For instance, Oxford English Dictionary:
>>
>> 2. In anaphoric reference to a singular noun or pronoun of undetermined
>> gender: he or she.
>>
>> The first usage example OED provides is from 1375. I don't think
>> replacing "he" with "she" addresses the problem, it's still assuming a
>> default gender. It's not too much tricker to search code for he/him &
>> replace with they/them but that's also just an implementation issue, not a
>> policy one.
>>
>>
>> It sounds like people are otherwise supportive but I'm not sure what the
>> next step should be.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eric Phetteplace
>> Systems Librarian
>> California College of the Arts
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>>
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Paul A <paul.a at navalmarinearchive.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-04-18 08:25 PM, Eric Phetteplace wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi list,
>>>>
>>>> I opened bug
>>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Before*:*
>>>>
>>> "Kid growing and become a juvenile, he should pay "
>>>
>>>> After:
>>>>
>>> "Kid growing and become a juvenile, they should pay "
>>>
>>> Political correctness has never been my strong point (although I try to
>>> understand it), but I'm proficient in grammatical rigour. [1]
>>>
>>> "Kid" is a singular noun, "a" is a singular article -- "they" is a
>>> plural pronoun. Perhaps replace "they" with "[s]he"? or "Kids growing and
>>> becoming juveniles, they should pay"?
>>>
>>> From a code maintenance p.o.v., it's easier to find and replace 'he'
>>> with '[s]he' if really this becomes a priority for Koha.
>>>
>>> Best -- Paul
>>>
>>> [1] I am aware of the so-called "singular third person epicene 'they'",
>>> but academically object to it -- it often suggests androgyny rather than
>>> gender neutrality.
>>>
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