[Koha-devel] Koha users wiki page outdated, use HEA

[Chris Cormack]

On 9 July 2018 9:43:27 PM NZST, Michael Kuhn <mik at adminkuhn.ch> wrote:
>Hi Martin
>
> > * 1693 unnamed libraries.. I see lots of names here.. am i missing
> > something: https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries ?
>
>Actually I didn't remember https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries - 
>thanks for the hint!
>
>However https://hea.koha-community.org/ lists a number of 1'693 
>libraries while https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries lists only 
>about 1'140 of them by name. Why is that so?
>
>Quite some of them use letters that I just can't read - like مكتبة كلية
>
>الزراعة or สำนักพัฒนาโครงสร้างและระบบบริหารงานบุคคล - that's OK with
>me, 
>but that said it is still a fact that without a transcription I just 
>can't read the stuff...
>

Really? Really? You are going to call someones language stuff and denigrate just because you can't read it? 

I stopped reading your email at this point. 

Chris 

> > * 35 really up to date.. t's useful to see the distribution of
>> installed  versions.. the HA stats are fed directly from koha
>installs
> > and as such are automatically kept up to date.
>
>Yes I see that.
>
> > I don't really see what your point was there?
>
>Paul was mentioning that many French libraries are or seem to be 
>outdated - "most libraries are supposed to be in version 2.x [...]
>Other 
>pages are also highly outdated, almost nothing with the current version
>
>numbering schema."
>
>In https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences of the
>aformentioned 
>1'693 libraries for even less than 1'140 of them the version number is 
>given. But how representative are these? Comparing just the data from 
>libraries.org (which lists about 5'000 Koha libraries) for example the 
>distribution of countries is:
>
>* USA: 1'772 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 149 of 1'693 at HEA
>* Turkey: 961 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 3 of 1'693 at HEA
>* France: 305 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 133 of 1'693 at HEA
>* Great Britain: 232 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 31 of 1'693 at HEA
>* Germany: 41 of 5'000 in Libraries.org / 17 of 1'693 at HEA
>
>Now is libraries.org more representative or HEA... or none? To me it 
>seems like some people are using libraries.org, some are using HEA or 
>even both - but most don't use or even want to use anything at all.
>
>As I understand you need at least Koha 3.18 to use HEA even if for some
>
>libraries version numbers like 3.10 or 3.14 are given. Does this mean 
>the other almost 14'000 Koha libraries are not even on Koha 3.18? Of 
>course I can interpret, but since the numbers are not representative at
>
>all, I can just see that out of this unrepresentative sample of 1'693 
>libraries 35 (2%) are really up to date. 35 of 15'000 almost unknwon 
>libraries is even just 0.2%. What does it really mean?
>
>Maybe I'm the wrong person. Maybe someone should write here about his 
>HEA expoerience who is actually using these numbers and explain in
>which 
>way he can make use of these numbers... me, I'm probably just stunned
>by 
>them.
>
>> * It's easier to opt in to HEA than it is to manually add yourself to
> > the wiki pages (if you even know of the existence of the wiki pages)
>
>Sure, I do know that, but still of the estimated 15'000 Koha libraries
>a 
>maximum of 11% have opted to use HEA so far.
>
>But on the other hand if you add yourself in the Koha wiki (or let your
>
>support company add you) you can decide yourself what to add.
>
> > * Clicking through to the library detail page in HEA shows all the
> > information and more doesn't it:
> > https://hea.koha-community.org/libraries/274
>
>Yes, but of course this is only true for the libraries that opt to add 
>themselves to HEA. It seems many libraries don't know about HEA oder 
>they think to have good reasons to not or never add themselves to HEA. 
>Some of these reasons may be:
>
>* data protection - some may consider at least some of the data as
>delicate
>* data security - who knows what data is really submitted? So better 
>don't submit at all
>* the IT department doesn't allow any outside connections
>* exposure is not wanted in any way (for example with company
>libraries, 
>the library of the NSA/KGB, private installations, etc)
>
>I'm not a statistician but I doubt we will ever have what such a giy 
>would call representative data in HEA or anywhere. So I think it is
>good 
>to have ALL available data i. e. including the data in the Koha wiki
>and 
>not deleting them.
>
> > - If there's something
> > missing do feel free to request it's addition.
>
>I do not request anything but I do indicate that the Koha wiki offers 
>also e-mail addresses and names and some other information in the 
>"notes" column. Last but not least, the information in the Koha wiki 
>(unlike to HEA) can be edited by anyone who's got some information. 
>Nothing has to be activated and anyone can do it without asking for 
>permission. You just need an account for the Koha wiki.
>
>Best wishes: Michael
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