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Installer meeting 2005-07-05 outcomes
by MJ Ray 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

1. General structure + We will split configure, build and install stages. + We will investigate ExtUtils::MakeMaker and may use it. + This should make packaging and porting easier. ( Ultimately, Bundle::Koha may return. ) 2. auto-install - This function will go away, replaced by configure flags. ( There could be a wrapper for configure if wanted. ) 3. L10N - With the move away from Q&A, this is less important. 4. PostgreSQL support + This is not seen as a major problem for the installer. Meeting was held at 21:00 +0000. Logs at www.koha.org/irc Thanks to all contributors. (Bracketed items not mentioned.) -- MJ Ray (slef), K. Lynn, England, email see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/

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Koha -> Zebra Integration Mailing List
by Joshua Ferraro 06 Jul '05

06 Jul '05

Hi everyone, As you probably know, in the next version of Koha we will be changing the underlying MARC data scheme and retrieval method from a SQL-based system to a textual scheme using Zebra (http://indexdata.dk/zebra) as the main indexing and retrieval engine. Needless to say, moving to Zebra will be a bit step for Koha. To better facilitate the move I've created a new list: koha-zebra. My plan is that this will be a temporary list for the key folks involved in the transition. So if you have a vested interest in Koha's move to Zebra or if you'd like to be involved in the process feel free to join the list -- but please keep on topic: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/koha-zebra I'll give folks a chance to sign up, etc. and will send out an introductory email later today on the koha-zebra list with a summary of our Koha->Zebra discussions thusfar as well as a brief outline of current roles and where we're at with the integration. If you'd like to get involved in the process (we will need sponsors, programmers, doc writers, and technical advisors) drop me an email and we can discuss where you'd like to fit in. Thanks, -- Joshua Ferraro VENDOR SERVICES FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE President, Technology migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Koha ILS, Mambo Intranet, DiscrimiNet Filter jmf(a)liblime.com | Full Demos at http://liblime.com | 1(888)KohaILS

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Summary for 2005-07-04
by MJ Ray 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

What has been added to koha 2.3 this week? Here's a list: rangi helped the scripts feed the right things to templates and fixed a bug from the 2.2->2.3 merge. oleonard updated the NPL OPAC and Intranet templates. joshferraro added a way to display ToC and Descriptions. hellen updated the default/de intranet templates. hdl added choice lists for sorting biblios and patrons added some help screens expanded the subscription display added support for dashed ISBN ported some changes between 2.2 and 2.3 and fixed some bugs genjimoto extended the css/en templates with sidebars and changed the opac-detail authorwords display A fuller changelog is http://www.ttllp.co.uk/koha/20050704.changelog for a few weeks, or see cvs log. -- MJ Ray (slef), K. Lynn, England, email see http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ http://www.ttllp.co.uk/koha/

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Re: Worries about zebra
by Stephen Hedges 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

I think Tümer makes a very good point here. I would hate to adopt zebra and then lose the entire Windows market! It seems to me we should address this concern before we discuss Paul's (excellent!) plan for adopting zebra. Having said that, I am going to make a comment about Paul's (excellent!) plan for adopting zebra. :D The biggest problem IMHO with the current MARC editor is the l-o-n-g time it takes to process a record. An external MARC editor may help, but couldn't we also convert the internal MARC editor so it processes new records in batches? (I think modification of records could still be done in real time.) The editor could build an iso2709 file containing several records, instead of just one record, and then use something like bulkmarcimport to load them. Stephen Tümer Garip said: > Hi Paul, > I could not post it to koha-devel. So I am sending this to you > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tümer Garip [mailto:tgarip@neu.edu.tr] > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:00 PM > To: 'koha-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net' > Subject: FW: Worries about zebra > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tümer Garip [mailto:tgarip@neu.edu.tr] > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:07 AM > To: 'koha-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net' > Subject: Worries about zebra > > My concern is regarding Windows users. I have set up Zap on our Windows > system and > noted that I can not sort the results. This problrm is also reported on > their mailing list. The problem lies > in Zebra requiring TCL to sort and the available zap module not compiled > with TCL. > I have tried compiling a new zap module with TCL but in vain. It seems > some other people tried the same but not succesful > either. > > So the question is if we move to zebra (which I hope we do) will Koha > still be usable on windows platforms? >>From bugzilla mails it looks there is quite a lot of windows users. > > Up till now only the Z3950 client on koha did not work for windows users > but that we could overcome by using external clients. > But with this move we have to be certain whether koha will work with > windows platform to be able to stay with koha. > > Regards > Tumer -- Stephen Hedges Skemotah Solutions, USA www.skemotah.com -- shedges(a)skemotah.com

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Fwd:Worries about zebra
by Paul POULAIN 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

-- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)

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Re: [Koha-devel] feature list for Koha 2.4/3.0 (hdl & paul coding planning)
by Thomas D 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

4 July 2005 Quoting Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain(a)free.fr> : > ---------------- Beginning of the original message ------------------ > > Hi, > > Here is a list of features that hdl & me will code soon > (reminder for > thos who didn't follow : hdl & me are working together) > > All of them will be in next major version, some of them being > backported > to 2.2.x (that will be specified in this mail. when it's > written > "backported soon", it means that the backport will be done > asap, as it's > requested by one of my customers. otherwise, will be > backported when > hdl/me has time & if requested by someone) > [snip] > > *2- OTHER IMPROVEMENTS* > ========================== > 2-C tracking who does what > Koha will save which librarian creates/modify a biblio, and > when (but > not what he changed ? open question here, as saving what he > changed can > be very complex) Needs a new table in DB, will be in head > only. What are the special difficulties in doing a comparison of strings from the original to the currently submitted state after trimming them? I have considered it a great advantage to know at least what was contributed or modified by local cataloguing as opposed to what had been obtained from an original copy catalogued record. Who makes modification for the local system is less important except for concern about transaction control over a particular user's mistakes. Think of what might need to be restored in case of data corruption, when one had to return to the source of an original record. Basic fields may have been improved or modified to match a particular expression or manifestation not found in the original record source. More interesting is the value of knowing what improvements or variant expressions and manifestations might exist from a standard national bibliographic record when searching a union catalogue. There should be an advantage to readily distinguishing the elements of variance as distinguished from the current practise of examining every whole record individually. Some sort of versioning system could be very useful. There may be some simpler means of using diff in a batch mode on the whole record to obtain some equivalent result. There should be no reason to slow the system unduely in real time to accomplish this. [snip] > > -- > Paul POULAIN > Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres > responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre > http://www.koha-fr.org) > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration > Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward > articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get > up to > speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id?492&op¿ick > _______________________________________________ > Koha-devel mailing list > Koha-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/koha-devel > > ------------------- End of the original message --------------------- Thomas D --------------------------------------------- Protect your mails from viruses thanks to Alinto Premium services http://www.alinto.com

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Re: [Koha-devel] switching from marc_words to zebra [LONG]
by Thomas D 05 Jul '05

05 Jul '05

4 July 2005 Quoting Paul POULAIN <paul.poulain(a)free.fr> : > ---------------- Beginning of the original message ------------------ > snip > in Koha 2.2, there are a lot of tables to manage biblios : [snip] > > * marc_biblio, is a table that contains only a few > informations : > - biblionumber (biblio PK) > - bibid (marc PK. It's a design mistake I made, for sure) What was the design mistake here? [snip] > move to ZEBRA > ============= [snip] > It should really not be a pain to move to zebra with this > structure : > every call with a MARC::Record (NEWxxxxyyyy subs) manages the > storing of > the MARC::Record in marc_* tables. We could replace this code > with a > zebra insert/update, using biblio.biblionumber as primary key. > How to manage biblios and items ? My idea here would be to > store biblio > + all items informations in zebra, using a full MARC::Record, > that > contains biblio and items. For MARC21, would you use the 852 holdings location and other fields in MARC bibliographic? MARC21 has a MARC holdings format as a separate record type from MARC bibliographic, http://www.loc.gov/marc/holdings/echdhome.html . UNIMARC now also has a UNIMARC holdings format as a separate record type, http://www.ifla.org/VI/8/projects/UNIMARC-HoldingsFormat04.pdf . I would certainly advocate moving towards full use of the available formats but perhaps one should approach the question by degrees to preserve development resources. [snip] > > The MARC Editor > =============== > Some users thinks Koha MARC Editor could be improved. The best > solution > would be, imho, to provide an API to use an external MARC > editor if the > library prefers. > However, some libraries are happy with what exists. So the > MARC editor > should be kept (& improved where possible). so > marc_*_structure tables > are still needed. Some fields could be removed probably, as > they are > related to search (like seealso), and will be handled by zebra > config > file. This still has to be investigated. > > For libraries that prefers an external MARC editor, we could > create a > webservice, where the user does an http request, with iso2709 > data in > parameters, with the requested operation. > This should be quite easy to do (the problem being to know how > the > external software can handle this. If someone has an idea or > an > experience on this, feel free to post here ;-) ) > An API for any editor seems the ideal solution here. This may be a point at which Koha should make overtures to cooperating with other systems editors including proprietary systems while working on improving its own editor. > > The authority problem > ===================== > Authorities have to be linked to the biblio that uses them. > Thus, when > an authority is modified, all biblios using them are > automatically > modified (script in misc/merge_authority.pl in Koha cvs & > 2.2.x) > > To keep trace of the link, Koha uses a $9 local subfield. In > UNIMARC, > the $3 can also be used for this. I don't know if something > equivalent > to $3 exists in MARC21 (could not find information on > http//www.loc.gov/marc/) > Many scripts make a heavy use of marc_subfield_table $9 data. > For > example, when you find an authority in authority module, you > get the > number of biblios using this authority. This number is > calculated with a > SQL request on $9 subfield. > To handle this with zebra, we have 2 solutions : > - create a table just with the link (biblionumber / authority > number) > that we could query > - query zebra with exact $9 subfield value > > I don't know zebra enough to be sure of the best way to do it. > Any > suggestion/experience welcomed. Curiously MARC21 and its predecessors seem to have left this out of the format. Only the thesaurus is given in the MARC21 record. The method of matching a thesaurus control number is left to the system implementation. This does seem troublesome to have a mutable key used in a MARC bibliographic record for matching to an authority record. Of course, this reflects the controlled authority thesauri preceding the computerisation and electronic exchange of the authority data. The MARC authority formats were developed after the MARC bibliographic format and MARC bibliographic does not seem to have been updated to use an immutable key as in UNIMARC. I do not know the standard system implementation practise. I will ask a few places and see what comes back. In MARC21 leader position 18 sometimes supplemented by 40$e specifies the descriptive rules governing names, http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/reladesc.html . Whether that is sufficient to really know what names authority database is used leaves me in some doubt. In MARC21, the 2nd indicator designates the most prevalent US and Canadian thesauri for subjects, otherwise $2 is used, http://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/relasour.html . This is equivalent to $2 for subjects in UNIMARC, http://www.ifla.org/VI/3/p1996-1/appx-g.htm > > The authority problem (another one...) > ====================================== > Authorities are MARC::Records too... (without items) > So they also have auth_structure & auth_word & all the infos > that are in > biblios (except items level, as there is no "authority" > items). > so we could imagine to have 2 zebra databases : one for > biblios and one > for authorities. > Everything previously in this mail can be copied here. That's > something > we could investigate after moving MARC biblios to zebra, as we > would > have more experience on this tool. > This seems reasonable. Taking the model change by stages should avoid breaking everything at once for the development version when difficulties occur. [snip] > > -- > Paul POULAIN > Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres > responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre > http://www.koha-fr.org) > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration > Strategies > from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward > articles, > informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get > up to > speed, fast. > http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77&alloc_id?492&op=click > _______________________________________________ > Koha-devel mailing list > Koha-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/koha-devel > > ------------------- End of the original message --------------------- Thomas D --------------------------------------------- Protect your mails from viruses thanks to Alinto Premium services http://www.alinto.com

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switching from marc_words to zebra [LONG]
by Paul POULAIN 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

As discussed with Joshua on irc, here is my views on how to move from 2.2 mysql-based DB to 3.0 zebra-based DB : 2.2 structure : =============== in Koha 2.2, there are a lot of tables to manage biblios : * biblio / items / biblioitems / additionalauthors / bibliosubtitle / bibliosubject : they contains the data in a "decoded form". It means, not depending on marc flavour. A title is called "biblio.title", not NNN$x where NNN is 245 in MARC21 and 200 in UNIMARC ! The primary key for a biblio is biblio.biblionumber. * marc_biblio, is a table that contains only a few informations : - biblionumber (biblio PK) - bibid (marc PK. It's a design mistake I made, for sure) - frameworkcode (the frameworkcode is used to know which cataloguing form Koha must use, see marc_*_ structure below) * marc_subfield_table : this table contains marc datas, one line for each subfield. With "order" row to keep trace of MARC field & subfields order (to be sure to retrieve repeated fields in good order). * marc_word : the -huge- table that is the index for searches. The structure works correctly with small to medium data size, but 50 000 complete MARC biblio is the upper limit the system can handle. * marc_*_structure (* being tag & subfield) : this table is the table where the library defines how it's MARC works. It contains, for each field/subfield a lot of informations : what the field/subfield contains "1st responsability statement", where to put it in a given framework (in MARC editor), if the value must be put in "decoded" part of the DB (200$f => biblio.author in UNIMARC), and what kind of constraint there is during typing (for example, show a list of possible values) 2.2 DB API ========== The DB API is located in C4/Biblio.pm for biblio/items management & C4/SearchMarc.pm for search tools. The main word here is : "MARC::Record heavy use". All biblios are stored in a MARC::Record object, as well as items. Just be warned that all items informations must be in the same MARC tag, thus the MARC::Record contains only one MARC::Field. In UNIMARC, it's usually the 995 field and in MARC21, the 952. (can be anything in Koha, but all item info must be in the same field, and this field must contain only item info) Biblio.pm : ------------ All record creation/modification is done through NEWxxxyyyy sub. NEWxxx perldoc C4/Biblio.pm will give you some infos on how it works. In a few words : when adding a biblio, Koha calls NEWnewbiblio, with a MARC::Record. NEWnewbiblio calls MARCnewbiblio to handle MARC storing, then MARCmarc2koha to create structure for non-MARC part of the DB, then calls OLDnewbiblio to create the non-MARC (decoded) part of the biblio. SearchMarc.pm : --------------- The sub that does the search is catalogsearch. The sub parameters : $dbh, => DB handler $tags, => array with MARC tags/subfields : ['200a','600f'] $and_or, => array with 'and' or 'or' for each search term $excluding, => array with 'not' for each search term that must be excluded $operator, => =, <=, >=, ..., contains, start $value, => the value to search. Can have a * or % at end of each word $offset, => the offset in the complete list, to return only needed info $length, => the number of results to return $orderby, => how to order the search $desc_or_asc, => order asc or desc $sqlstring => an alternate sqlstring that can replace tags/and_or/excluding/operator The catalogsearch retrive a list of bibids, then, for each bibid to return, find interesting values (values that are shown in result list). This includes the complete item status (available, issued, not for loan...) move to ZEBRA ============= DB structure : biblio handling ------------------------------ I think we can remove marc_biblio, marc_subfield_table, and marc_word (of course) marc_biblio contains only one important information, the framework (used to know which cataloguing form Koha must use in MARC editor). It can be moved to biblio table. marc_subfield_table contains marc datas. We could either store it in raw iso2709 format in biblio table or only in zebra. I suspect it's better to store it twice (in zebra AND in biblio table). When you do a search (in Zebra), you enter a query, get a list of results. This list can be builded with datas returned by zebra . Then the user clics on a given biblio to see the detail. Here, we can read the raw marc in biblio table, and thus not needing a useless zebra called (at the price of a SQL query, but it's based on the primary key, so as fast as possible) marc_word is completly dropped, as search is done with zebra. DB structure : items handling ----------------------------- item info can be stored in the same structure as for biblio : save the raw item MARC data in items table. Koha <=> Zebra -------------- It should really not be a pain to move to zebra with this structure : every call with a MARC::Record (NEWxxxxyyyy subs) manages the storing of the MARC::Record in marc_* tables. We could replace this code with a zebra insert/update, using biblio.biblionumber as primary key. How to manage biblios and items ? My idea here would be to store biblio + all items informations in zebra, using a full MARC::Record, that contains biblio and items. When NEWnewitem (or NEWmoditem) is called, the full biblio MARC::Record is rebuilded with biblio MARC::Record and all items MARC::Records, and updated in zebra. it can be a little cpu consuming to update zebra every time an item is modified, but it should not be so much, as in libraries, biblios & items don't change so often. So we would have : NEWnewbiblio : * create biblio/biblioitems table entry (including MARC record in raw format) * create zebra entry, with the provided Perl API. NEWnewitem : * create the items entry (includint MARC record in raw format) * read biblio MARC record & previously existing items // append new item // update zebra entry with the provided Perl API. NEWmodbiblio : * modify the biblio entry (in biblio/biblioitems table) * read the full MARC record (including items) // update Zebra entry NEWmoditem : * modify the item entry (in items table) * read the full MARC record (including items) // update Zebra entry Note that this relys on Zebra iso2709 results returns. We could use XML or nice-top-tech possibilities. But Koha makes heavy use of MARC::Record, so we don't need to reinvent the wheel. What is great with Zebra is that we can index iso2709 datas, but show what we want to users (including XML). So Koha internals can be whatever ;-) The MARC Editor =============== Some users thinks Koha MARC Editor could be improved. The best solution would be, imho, to provide an API to use an external MARC editor if the library prefers. However, some libraries are happy with what exists. So the MARC editor should be kept (& improved where possible). so marc_*_structure tables are still needed. Some fields could be removed probably, as they are related to search (like seealso), and will be handled by zebra config file. This still has to be investigated. For libraries that prefers an external MARC editor, we could create a webservice, where the user does an http request, with iso2709 data in parameters, with the requested operation. This should be quite easy to do (the problem being to know how the external software can handle this. If someone has an idea or an experience on this, feel free to post here ;-) ) Data search ========== I won't speak a lot about search, as someone else has taken the ball for this ;-) I just think SearchMarc.pm should be deeply modified ! As every information will be in zebra, it can use only zebra search API. A question remaining is : in a biblio/item, the item status (when issued, transfered, returned, reverved, waiting...), changes quite often. So is it better to save the status in zebra DB, and thus update the zebra entry (biblio+items) everytime an item status is modified, or is it better to keep this information only in items/reserve/issues tables & read it in mySQL every time it's needed ? Open question that zebra guys can probably answer. NPL has, for example, 600 000 issues per year (and hopefully 600 000 returns ;-) ), plus some (how many ?) reserves, branch transfers... The authority problem ===================== Authorities have to be linked to the biblio that uses them. Thus, when an authority is modified, all biblios using them are automatically modified (script in misc/merge_authority.pl in Koha cvs & 2.2.x) To keep trace of the link, Koha uses a $9 local subfield. In UNIMARC, the $3 can also be used for this. I don't know if something equivalent to $3 exists in MARC21 (could not find information on http//www.loc.gov/marc/) Many scripts make a heavy use of marc_subfield_table $9 data. For example, when you find an authority in authority module, you get the number of biblios using this authority. This number is calculated with a SQL request on $9 subfield. To handle this with zebra, we have 2 solutions : - create a table just with the link (biblionumber / authority number) that we could query - query zebra with exact $9 subfield value I don't know zebra enough to be sure of the best way to do it. Any suggestion/experience welcomed. The authority problem (another one...) ====================================== Authorities are MARC::Records too... (without items) So they also have auth_structure & auth_word & all the infos that are in biblios (except items level, as there is no "authority" items). so we could imagine to have 2 zebra databases : one for biblios and one for authorities. Everything previously in this mail can be copied here. That's something we could investigate after moving MARC biblios to zebra, as we would have more experience on this tool. "Trivial" querying ================ Someone may ask "why should we keep biblio/biblioitems/items tables ?", as everything is in zebra ? First, as Koha is multi-marc, remember it's very complex to know what is a "title" just with a MARC record. the same guy will ask "yes, but with Biblio/MARCmarc2koha, you can transform you MARC::Record to a semantically meaningful hash". I answer to this : Yes, but without those tables, sql querying the database would be completly impossible for developpers, as we could not know in mySQL "if we have authors filled by the bulkmarcimport", or "do we have the itemcallnumber correctly modified for item #158763". That's a second reason to keep those tables in mySQL. -- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)

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next major version numbering
by Paul POULAIN 04 Jul '05

04 Jul '05

Hello the list, It's about the numbering of the next major version. Joshua begins to write 2.4/3.0 The DB schema will change a lot, as well as tools we used (zebra) so I strongly think the next version should be called 3.0 (otherwise what could happend to call a version 3.0 ?) Does someone disagree ? -- Paul POULAIN Consultant indépendant en logiciels libres responsable francophone de koha (SIGB libre http://www.koha-fr.org)

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Website / ID Meeting Notes
by Joshua Ferraro 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

Meeting Notes for Website / Interface Design Meeting As always ... the meeting was logged at koha.org/irc Present: kados rach owen slef richard russ indradg shawn hdl (big meeting!!) 1. Koha.org Website We discussed Russ's report: http://www.russandsarah.gen.nz/kohawebredev/ a. folks need to look at the wireframes and give feedback to russ b. some feedback was given about objective and scope: opencms was introduced as a product: opencms.org some question was raised as to whether opencms or mambo would be a better choice mambo supports multiple languages and we're not sure if opencms does the koha team will be 'koha project managers' with bios, emails at koha.org, and maybe even images to lend credibility to the project librarians were defined as users a media link will be added under 'news' c. we want to support multiple languages eventually -- at first we'll do the site in english d. koha-fr.org will have to decide what to do if there are two french koha sites e. shaun will make the site WCAG compliant http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG f. the site will be mirrored by katipo and maybe by koha-fr and liblime too 2. Interface Design: a. we will design a set of 'programmer templates' -- minimalist templates with only the functions of that template displayed to ease template maintenance for our interface designers b. we will design a set of 'default templates' and the lead interface designer will be responsible for taking changes from the programmer templates and integrating those into the default templates c. we will establish a set of guidelines for committing new features to CVS that will ensure that programmers commit only to programmer templates and not to default templates -- so that the ID can ensure QA on those templates d. this does not mean that internal design groups can't maintain their own set of templates -- it simply means that when they commit the features to CVS they will commit a minimalist version of the feature to the programmer templates (and hopefully a good description of the feature) and leave the presentation up to the ID. e. the success of this method will depend on all the programmers playing nicely and committing their additions to the minimalist templates in addition to their own project templates -- Joshua Ferraro VENDOR SERVICES FOR OPEN-SOURCE SOFTWARE President, Technology migration, training, maintenance, support LibLime Koha ILS, Mambo Intranet, DiscrimiNet Filter jmf(a)liblime.com | Full Demos at http://liblime.com | 1(888)KohaILS

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