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Translation annoyances
by Kallinen Pasi 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

Hello. I've been translating Koha to Finnish for a bit, and I'm really starting to hate some of the automagically generated msgid's. 1) String concatenation is BAD. For example, this line of code: var disabledForCurrent = _("Disabled for") + ' ' + $branch; turns into this translatable string: msgid "Disabled for" For some languages this is very hard to translate without sounding stupid or just plain wrong. jQuery has some string placeholder support for javascript, so Koha really should be using those instead! The example above would turn into: var disabledForCurrent = _("Disabled for {0}"); msgid "Disabled for {0}" 2) Consistency would be good. msgid "EAN:" msgid "EAN: " msgid "EAN :" 3) Sentences should not be cut in pieces. msgid "Please" msgid "upload" msgid "one." The "upload"-text is a link in the sentence. Ideally this should be: msgid "Please %supload%s one." 4) Is it a verb or a noun? msgid "Copy" 5) The wiki-like help texts should be in separate po-file. The help texts inflate the staff UI po-file immensely, and the help translation is not quite as critical as the UI. Having all the help texts interspersed between all the actually important strings is irritating. 6) Translation is not programming. Replace all Template Toolkit code with placeholders. For example msgid "Cancel [% IF TransferWhenCancelAllWaitingHolds %]and Transfer [% END %]All" and msgid "Cancel hold and return to : [% overloo.branchname %]" 7) Exclude URLs. Those are not content that should be translatable. -- Ystävällisin terveisin Pasi Kallinen ICT-asiantuntija p. 0400-139747 pasi.kallinen(a)pttk.fi Länsikatu 15 80110 Joensuu Pohjois-Karjalan Tietotekniikkakeskus Oy - www.pttk.fi

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Re: [Koha-translate] Translation annoyances
by Kallinen Pasi 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

>Katrin Fischer wrote: > >I'd rather keep some additional %s and not lose the context and the Pity Koha doesn't support msgctxt - the gettext context string! Translators are not coders, nor vice versa. The variable names will mean nothing to the translators - it's good if the translator knows what '%s' means, and '%%' will confuse them. The translation script could be improved somewhat by discarding totally useless placeholders. Some simple(?) improvements: 1) Replace all inline TT code in msgid with a placeholders. (eg "[% variable_name|filter %]" => "%s") 2) If the msgid begins with a placeholder that is IF, and ends in a placeholder that's either END or ELSE, and there are no other placeholders, do not include the placeholders. 3) Do not include the placeholder in the msgid, if it is 'END' or 'ELSE' token and is at the beginning of the msgid. 4) Do not include the placeholder in the msgid, if it is 'END' or 'ELSE' token and is at the end of the msgid. 5) If there's only one placeholder, and it is a flow control token (IF, ELSE, etc), and it is not in the beginning or end of msgid, cut the msgid into two msgid's. 6) Ignore XSLT <xsl:attribute name="href">foobar</xsl:attribute> 7) Ignore XSLT <xsl:call-template name="subfieldSelect"><xsl:with-param name="codes">foobar</xsl:with-param></xsl:call-template> 8) If msgid is nothing but placeholders (and spaces), do not use it. -- Ystävällisin terveisin Pasi Kallinen ICT-asiantuntija p. 0400-139747 pasi.kallinen(a)pttk.fi Länsikatu 15 80110 Joensuu Pohjois-Karjalan Tietotekniikkakeskus Oy - www.pttk.fi ________________________________________ From: koha-translate-bounces(a)lists.koha-community.org [koha-translate-bounces(a)lists.koha-community.org] on behalf of Katrin Fischer [Katrin.Fischer.83(a)web.de] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 13:43 To: koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org Subject: [Koha-translate] Translation annoyances Hi, I'd rather keep some additional %s and not lose the context and the chance to do grammatically more correct translations. I'd like to give some examples: Grouping together related sentences/error messages: %sNote: your comment contained illegal markup code. It has been saved with the markup removed, as below. You can edit the comment further, or cancel to retain the comment as is. %s %sError! Your comment was entirely illegal markup code. It has NOT been added.%s %sError! You cannot add an empty comment. Please add content or cancel.%s %sEdit course%sCreate course%s Suggestion status: "%s Pending %s Accepted %s Ordered %s Rejected %s Checked %s %s %s %s " Import status: "%s Cleaned %s Imported %s Importing %s Reverted %s Reverting %s Staged %s %s %s " Allowing translation of 'constructed' sentences: "%sEdit%sCreate%s Label layout" "%s Delete %s %s Update %s %s Move %s %s Copy %s %s %s 1st %s %s field %s%s$%s%s %s with value " Also if you only take variables into account, a simple [% IF %] checking for the existance of a variable could be a problem breakting the translation string: #. %1$s: name #. %2$s: IF ( invoice ) #. %3$s: invoice #. %4$s: END #. %5$s: ordernumber #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/orderreceive.tt:130 #, c-format msgid "Receive items from : %s %s[%s] %s (order #%s)" I think the translation scripts are not so much the problem, but badly constructed strings in the templates are. I think fixing the templates would be the better way. Katrin Am 04.12.2013 11:34, schrieb Fischer, Katrin: > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: koha-translate-bounces(a)lists.koha-community.org im Auftrag von > Fridolin SOMERS > Gesendet: Mi 04.12.2013 11:05 > An: koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org > Betreff: Re: [Koha-translate] Translation annoyances > > I agree, specially on point 6. > PO shoould only consider TT vars [% var %], no other TT tag. > > I will try to work on it. > > Le 02/12/2013 08:37, Kallinen Pasi a écrit : >> Hello. >> >> I've been translating Koha to Finnish for a bit, and I'm really > starting to hate some of the automagically generated msgid's. >> >> 1) String concatenation is BAD. >> For example, this line of code: >> var disabledForCurrent = _("Disabled for") + ' ' + $branch; >> turns into this translatable string: >> msgid "Disabled for" >> >> For some languages this is very hard to translate without sounding > stupid or just plain wrong. jQuery has some string placeholder support > for javascript, so Koha really should be using those instead! >> The example above would turn into: >> >> var disabledForCurrent = _("Disabled for {0}"); >> msgid "Disabled for {0}" >> >> >> 2) Consistency would be good. >> msgid "EAN:" >> msgid "EAN: " >> msgid "EAN :" >> >> >> 3) Sentences should not be cut in pieces. >> msgid "Please" >> msgid "upload" >> msgid "one." >> >> The "upload"-text is a link in the sentence. Ideally this should be: >> msgid "Please %supload%s one." >> >> >> 4) Is it a verb or a noun? >> msgid "Copy" >> >> >> 5) The wiki-like help texts should be in separate po-file. The help > texts inflate the staff UI po-file immensely, and the help translation > is not quite as critical as the UI. Having all the help texts > interspersed between all the actually important strings is irritating. >> >> >> 6) Translation is not programming. Replace all Template Toolkit code > with placeholders. >> For example >> msgid "Cancel [% IF TransferWhenCancelAllWaitingHolds %]and > Transfer [% END %]All" >> and >> msgid "Cancel hold and return to : [% overloo.branchname %]" >> >> >> 7) Exclude URLs. Those are not content that should be translatable. >> >> >> -- >> Ystävällisin terveisin >> >> Pasi Kallinen >> ICT-asiantuntija >> >> p. 0400-139747 >> pasi.kallinen(a)pttk.fi >> Länsikatu 15 >> 80110 Joensuu >> >> Pohjois-Karjalan Tietotekniikkakeskus Oy - www.pttk.fi >> _______________________________________________ >> Koha-translate mailing list >> Koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org >> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate >> website: www.koha-community.org >> git: git.koha-community.org >> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org >> > > -- > Fridolin SOMERS > Biblibre - Pôle support > fridolin.somers(a)biblibre.com > _______________________________________________ > Koha-translate mailing list > Koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org > http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate > website: www.koha-community.org > git: git.koha-community.org > bugs: bugs.koha-community.org > > > _______________________________________________ Koha-translate mailing list Koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate website: www.koha-community.org git: git.koha-community.org bugs: bugs.koha-community.org

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Translation annoyances
by Katrin Fischer 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

Hi, I'd rather keep some additional %s and not lose the context and the chance to do grammatically more correct translations. I'd like to give some examples: Grouping together related sentences/error messages: %sNote: your comment contained illegal markup code. It has been saved with the markup removed, as below. You can edit the comment further, or cancel to retain the comment as is. %s %sError! Your comment was entirely illegal markup code. It has NOT been added.%s %sError! You cannot add an empty comment. Please add content or cancel.%s %sEdit course%sCreate course%s Suggestion status: "%s Pending %s Accepted %s Ordered %s Rejected %s Checked %s %s %s %s " Import status: "%s Cleaned %s Imported %s Importing %s Reverted %s Reverting %s Staged %s %s %s " Allowing translation of 'constructed' sentences: "%sEdit%sCreate%s Label layout" "%s Delete %s %s Update %s %s Move %s %s Copy %s %s %s 1st %s %s field %s%s$%s%s %s with value " Also if you only take variables into account, a simple [% IF %] checking for the existance of a variable could be a problem breakting the translation string: #. %1$s: name #. %2$s: IF ( invoice ) #. %3$s: invoice #. %4$s: END #. %5$s: ordernumber #: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/acqui/orderreceive.tt:130 #, c-format msgid "Receive items from : %s %s[%s] %s (order #%s)" I think the translation scripts are not so much the problem, but badly constructed strings in the templates are. I think fixing the templates would be the better way. Katrin Am 04.12.2013 11:34, schrieb Fischer, Katrin: > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: koha-translate-bounces(a)lists.koha-community.org im Auftrag von > Fridolin SOMERS > Gesendet: Mi 04.12.2013 11:05 > An: koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org > Betreff: Re: [Koha-translate] Translation annoyances > > I agree, specially on point 6. > PO shoould only consider TT vars [% var %], no other TT tag. > > I will try to work on it. > > Le 02/12/2013 08:37, Kallinen Pasi a écrit : >> Hello. >> >> I've been translating Koha to Finnish for a bit, and I'm really > starting to hate some of the automagically generated msgid's. >> >> 1) String concatenation is BAD. >> For example, this line of code: >> var disabledForCurrent = _("Disabled for") + ' ' + $branch; >> turns into this translatable string: >> msgid "Disabled for" >> >> For some languages this is very hard to translate without sounding > stupid or just plain wrong. jQuery has some string placeholder support > for javascript, so Koha really should be using those instead! >> The example above would turn into: >> >> var disabledForCurrent = _("Disabled for {0}"); >> msgid "Disabled for {0}" >> >> >> 2) Consistency would be good. >> msgid "EAN:" >> msgid "EAN: " >> msgid "EAN :" >> >> >> 3) Sentences should not be cut in pieces. >> msgid "Please" >> msgid "upload" >> msgid "one." >> >> The "upload"-text is a link in the sentence. Ideally this should be: >> msgid "Please %supload%s one." >> >> >> 4) Is it a verb or a noun? >> msgid "Copy" >> >> >> 5) The wiki-like help texts should be in separate po-file. The help > texts inflate the staff UI po-file immensely, and the help translation > is not quite as critical as the UI. Having all the help texts > interspersed between all the actually important strings is irritating. >> >> >> 6) Translation is not programming. Replace all Template Toolkit code > with placeholders. >> For example >> msgid "Cancel [% IF TransferWhenCancelAllWaitingHolds %]and > Transfer [% END %]All" >> and >> msgid "Cancel hold and return to : [% overloo.branchname %]" >> >> >> 7) Exclude URLs. Those are not content that should be translatable. >> >> >> -- >> Ystävällisin terveisin >> >> Pasi Kallinen >> ICT-asiantuntija >> >> p. 0400-139747 >> pasi.kallinen(a)pttk.fi >> Länsikatu 15 >> 80110 Joensuu >> >> Pohjois-Karjalan Tietotekniikkakeskus Oy - www.pttk.fi >> _______________________________________________ >> Koha-translate mailing list >> Koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org >> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate >> website: www.koha-community.org >> git: git.koha-community.org >> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org >> > > -- > Fridolin SOMERS > Biblibre - Pôle support > fridolin.somers(a)biblibre.com > _______________________________________________ > Koha-translate mailing list > Koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org > http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate > website: www.koha-community.org > git: git.koha-community.org > bugs: bugs.koha-community.org > > >

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3.14 French
by Fridolin SOMERS 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

Hie, In french translation, I've looked at critical checks. I corrected the XMLTags checks : http://translate.koha-community.org/fr/314/translate.html#filter=checks,xml… The prioriy is on translations with a wrong number of %s : http://translate.koha-community.org/fr/314/translate.html#filter=checks,pri… Best regards, -- Fridolin SOMERS Biblibre - Pôle support fridolin.somers(a)biblibre.com

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Problems with translating Card into Spanish
by Hector Castro 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

Hi, Hi everybody I was discussing with Bernardo about the word "Card." We have problems to translate into spanish because, in different modules, the word meaning different things. Bernardo told me that it's impossible to change the string in Pootle program and, he advised me about it and told me that there are some problems with the word "term" too. I wonder if you can change the word in the original language (i.e., Engilish language) to some synonymous. -- Regards, Héctor Eduardo Castro Avalos

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Re: [Koha-translate] [Koha-devel] Problems with translating Card into Spanish
by Tomas Cohen Arazi 22 Nov '13

22 Nov '13

We need a tool that leaves information on the context. As Ruth said in her keynote @ #kohacon13. Maybe PO and its available tools are not enough for fully localised projects. Best regards To+ On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Christopher Nighswonger < chris.nighswonger(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It may actually be easier to translate Koha into Latin and then use that > to automate translations into other languages (excepting perhaps middle and > far eastern languages). :-) > > Kind Regards, > Chris > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Fischer, Katrin <Katrin.Fischer(a)bsz-bw.de > > wrote: > >> I have another - subject (in cataloguing and for email messages) :) >> >> >> >> *From:* koha-translate-bounces(a)lists.koha-community.org [mailto: >> koha-translate-bounces(a)lists.koha-community.org] *On Behalf Of *Tomas >> Cohen Arazi >> *Sent:* Friday, November 22, 2013 1:51 PM >> *To:* Paul Poulain >> *Cc:* Koha Devel; Koha-org - Translate list >> *Subject:* Re: [Koha-translate] Problems with translating Card into >> Spanish >> >> >> >> Can I add 'items' on a list and 'items' for holdings? Heh. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Paul Poulain <paul.poulain(a)biblibre.com> >> wrote: >> >> Le 21/11/2013 21:10, Josef Moravec a écrit : >> >> > Hello all, >> > just saying, that we have the same problem with these words ("term" and >> > "card") also in czech language. We've tried to do some "creative" >> > translation, but sometimes it looks really strange. >> >> In fact, things are pretty simple: if the same english word is used for >> 2 different things, you can be sure there is at least one language, >> where there are translation problems. >> So, if someone sees another word that is disambiguated, please add it to >> bug 11285 ( >> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11285 ) >> >> -- >> Paul POULAIN - BibLibre >> http://www.biblibre.com >> Free & Open Source Softwares for libraries >> Koha, Drupal, Piwik, Jasper >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Koha-translate mailing list >> Koha-translate(a)lists.koha-community.org >> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-translate >> website: www.koha-community.org >> git: git.koha-community.org >> bugs: bugs.koha-community.org >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Tomás Cohen Arazi >> >> Prosecretaría de Informática >> >> Universidad Nacional de Córdoba >> >> ✆ +54 351 4333190 ext 13168 >> >> GPG: B76C 6E7C 2D80 551A C765 E225 0A27 2EA1 B2F3 C15F >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Koha-devel mailing list >> Koha-devel(a)lists.koha-community.org >> http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel >> website : http://www.koha-community.org/ >> git : http://git.koha-community.org/ >> bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Koha-devel mailing list > Koha-devel(a)lists.koha-community.org > http://lists.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/koha-devel > website : http://www.koha-community.org/ > git : http://git.koha-community.org/ > bugs : http://bugs.koha-community.org/ > -- Tomás Cohen Arazi Prosecretaría de Informática Universidad Nacional de Córdoba ✆ +54 351 4333190 ext 13168 GPG: B76C 6E7C 2D80 551A C765 E225 0A27 2EA1 B2F3 C15F

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Do not translate "title" in MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl line 405
by Stefano Bargioni 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

The word "title" in line opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl:405 <a><xsl:attribute name="href">/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=<xsl:value-of select="$biblionumber"/></xsl:attribute><xsl:attribute name="class">title</xsl:attribute> do not require translation. It is a CSS class name. However, it is translated in many languages (it, es, fr, de...), both in Koha 3.12 and 3.14. I corrected it in Koha 3.12 and 3.14 for it and es. Other translators can check their language. A quick search to perform is title MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl activating "Source text" and "Locations" boxes in the search field. HTH. Stefano

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MARC21 SQL Files
by Uğur Bulgan 20 Nov '13

20 Nov '13

Hello Bernardo, Can You add Turkish language into MARC21 translation Project Thank You, Uğur BULGAN Kütüphane ve Dokümantasyon Daire Başkanı Süleyman Demirel Üniversitesi 32260 ISPARTA Tel: (246) 211 35 70 - 71 Faks: (246) 237 08 62

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MARC21 SQL Files
by Anthony Mao 18 Nov '13

18 Nov '13

Hi, I found a MARC21 SQL Files at http://translate.koha-community.org/projects/. There are four languages only, Spanish, German, German (Switzerland), Armenian. Should Chinese(Taiwan) fellow? -- Wishing you all the best. . . . Anthony Mao 毛慶禎＋886 2 29052334 (voice) + 886 2 29017405 (FAX)

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impossible to fix an error in french files
by Mathieu Saby 17 Nov '13

17 Nov '13

Hi I suppose I made some mistake translating french templates.:-( The files don't apply, and I am not able to find the wrong string in Pootle (maybe some index issue) Bernardo, when you have time, could you take a look please? Here is the message : $perl translate install fr-FR tmpl_process3.pl: Warning: unconsistent %s count: (2/0): line: 8868 msgid: "Check out%s, return%s or renew an item: " msgstr: "Date de retour :" Regards, Mathieu -- Mathieu Saby Service d'Informatique Documentaire Service Commun de Documentation Université Rennes 2 Téléphone : 02 99 14 12 65 Courriel : mathieu.saby(a)univ-rennes2.fr

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